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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:01 am    Post subject: Thoughts on 17s and regular use... Reply with quote

Really enjoying having the Cup 2s back on my car, ride is better and the car has a more traditional 911 feel. Definitely not a permanent swap, I like the extra grip and the looks of my Work alloys. I will definitely be putting the 17s on for the winter every year and I think for any long distance touring due to the ride comfort and reduction in the roar (even with winter tyres on)

I've been putting 250 miles a week on the car since we moved from Edinburgh up to the Trossachs in June and have built a whole new level of insight into how to approach driving her. These really are still super capable, comfortable cars that thrive on mileage. The fuel economy is also better than my Golf R on the run to Edinburgh and back.

Only the salt going down will stop me from using her through the winter. I'm super impressed with the Pirelli Sottozero's so far in both the cold and wet (very)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...17s on my 996 ; I would rather have the delicacy,comfort and tactically over extra grip that my limited driving skills can't exploit and a harder, noisier ride...
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the Cup 2's - both for looks and ride quality. I think they suit the cooking 993's perfectly.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cup 2's were my wheel of choice when I had my 993 ....... look god and give a better ride than larger wheels ...... when I had my wheels refurbished by Chris at Exel Wheels I had a set of sixteens put on ..... and to be honest they gave the best ride.

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Nick, your comment on the change in wheel tyres restoring that which YOU describe as a "more traditional feel" caused a me measure of amusement....(-: I thought to share MY impressions of the 993 at the time of it`s launch, when I was apparently the first private individual in the UK to drive the 993 and as the launch was at Cameron House Hotel on the shores of Loch Lomond, I headed to my favourite roads to get a feel for the difference between Porsche`s latest creation, which is in your neck of the woods.. "The Dukes Pass".. (-:

The magazine photographer wanted wide open roads and high speed, whereas my ideals differed to some degree..(-: I do remember on seeing those low profile tyres as I walked towards the 993`s, thinking to myself that the ride was going to be HARSH. My reason for thinking that way was that my 911 at the time was a circa 10 year old SC non-Sport with 15" wheels, whereas the Sport had 16" wheels, both the the sport and non-sport had the same rolling radius which equated to larger profile tyres fitted on the non-sport than on the sport. The difference between comfort and handling on these two SC`s was considerable, the non-sport`s tyres taking a fraction more time to settle into a corner as it`s tyre sidewall's flexed when pushed than did the much thinner sidewalls of the sport which provided a far more sense of stability, never more so than when presented with a series of quick left and right bends in the road, such as can be found in The Dukes Pass..(-: However the difference in comfort levels provided by the smaller wheel diameter and higher profile of the sidewall had it`s benefits too.. Each to their own..

Back to the 993 I was sceptical as to just how comfortable it might be to drive with those elastic bands in place of real tyres...(-: Though it took no more than a few hundred yards for me to become impressed with the ride quality, I remember thinking that Porsche must have worked wonders with the suspension for me not to feel jarred when the inevitable bumps in the road showed up... but then I had never driven the 964, which might have better prepared me for the difference in suspension feel, betwixt my old SC and the then new 993..?

While typing this ramble through the past, the other thing that really impressed me with the 993 was the low down grunt compared to my SC, my introduction to the grunt differential was on reaching the apex of the first tight bend and applying what I thought might be the appropriate amount of throttle to test a measure of the 993`s handling.... the rear end skipped out, a touch of oppo, and a huge grin...BOY was I impressed..(-:

I had ever thought my old SC`s increase in performance as the revs rose was down to the cam profile, and only learned very recently from that which Baz typed here that it was more than likely down to the way worn piston rings behave, becoming a tad more efficient with rising revs...! Regardless, it was ever a thrill to feel the performance build as the revs rose in my SC, but the 993 was in a different league all together... all be it that it was brand new and my old SC had perhaps covered at least 80k miles by that time.

I smile when younger folk type of "more traditional feel" or indeed more analogue as opposed to digital when comparing the 996 to the 997 or later 911`s..(-: As a much wiser man than I declared.. "everything is relative", I just thought to add a tad more relativity in 911 terms to add to the overall assessment processes... (-:

It was a pleasure to see and hear your 993 at Porsche in the park event.... nice wheels... would be a shame to expose them to salt.. Went over The Dukes Pass a few times a month or so back, seems like the council may have added a lot of loose and small gravel, perhaps to slow the bikers down, though I suspect it does the paintwork no favours either... hmm...!

Oops, I seem to have rambled on a tad as ever... Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

17's on a 993 are the perfect balance for all conditions
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep thinking about changing my cup 2's for some 18's, prob OZ's but then change my mind and want to keep the cups Question Question Question Question Question
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to change and swap rims around a couple of times a year, more for a change of look than anything else, however I notice very little difference between 17" Cup2's & my 18" Speedlines. 17's may be a tad softer but nothing that would detract from the look and ride of a set of cool 18" Splits.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A set of forged aluminium 18” alloys like Fuchs are over a KG lighter per corner than original 17s, so then you get better handling and ride due to reduced in unsprung weight. At least that’s what I’ve found.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luddite wrote:
Nick, your comment on the change in wheel tyres restoring that which YOU describe as a "more traditional feel" caused a me measure of amusement....(-: I thought to share MY impressions of the 993 at the time of it`s launch, when I was apparently the first private individual in the UK to drive the 993 and as the launch was at Cameron House Hotel on the shores of Loch Lomond, I headed to my favourite roads to get a feel for the difference between Porsche`s latest creation, which is in your neck of the woods.. "The Dukes Pass".. (-:

The magazine photographer wanted wide open roads and high speed, whereas my ideals differed to some degree..(-: I do remember on seeing those low profile tyres as I walked towards the 993`s, thinking to myself that the ride was going to be HARSH. My reason for thinking that way was that my 911 at the time was a circa 10 year old SC non-Sport with 15" wheels, whereas the Sport had 16" wheels, both the the sport and non-sport had the same rolling radius which equated to larger profile tyres fitted on the non-sport than on the sport. The difference between comfort and handling on these two SC`s was considerable, the non-sport`s tyres taking a fraction more time to settle into a corner as it`s tyre sidewall's flexed when pushed than did the much thinner sidewalls of the sport which provided a far more sense of stability, never more so than when presented with a series of quick left and right bends in the road, such as can be found in The Dukes Pass..(-: However the difference in comfort levels provided by the smaller wheel diameter and higher profile of the sidewall had it`s benefits too.. Each to their own..

Back to the 993 I was sceptical as to just how comfortable it might be to drive with those elastic bands in place of real tyres...(-: Though it took no more than a few hundred yards for me to become impressed with the ride quality, I remember thinking that Porsche must have worked wonders with the suspension for me not to feel jarred when the inevitable bumps in the road showed up... but then I had never driven the 964, which might have better prepared me for the difference in suspension feel, betwixt my old SC and the then new 993..?

While typing this ramble through the past, the other thing that really impressed me with the 993 was the low down grunt compared to my SC, my introduction to the grunt differential was on reaching the apex of the first tight bend and applying what I thought might be the appropriate amount of throttle to test a measure of the 993`s handling.... the rear end skipped out, a touch of oppo, and a huge grin...BOY was I impressed..(-:

I had ever thought my old SC`s increase in performance as the revs rose was down to the cam profile, and only learned very recently from that which Baz typed here that it was more than likely down to the way worn piston rings behave, becoming a tad more efficient with rising revs...! Regardless, it was ever a thrill to feel the performance build as the revs rose in my SC, but the 993 was in a different league all together... all be it that it was brand new and my old SC had perhaps covered at least 80k miles by that time.

I smile when younger folk type of "more traditional feel" or indeed more analogue as opposed to digital when comparing the 996 to the 997 or later 911`s..(-: As a much wiser man than I declared.. "everything is relative", I just thought to add a tad more relativity in 911 terms to add to the overall assessment processes... (-:

It was a pleasure to see and hear your 993 at Porsche in the park event.... nice wheels... would be a shame to expose them to salt.. Went over The Dukes Pass a few times a month or so back, seems like the council may have added a lot of loose and small gravel, perhaps to slow the bikers down, though I suspect it does the paintwork no favours either... hmm...!

Oops, I seem to have rambled on a tad as ever... Question


Yep, the cup 2s have been (very well) painted body colour at some point so perfect for the winter.

No grit round these parts yet. These are my very local roads if anyone is passing through

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5. At the roundabout, continue straight onto Dalginross/B827
6. Turn right onto Braco Rd/B827
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4. Turn left onto Perth Rd/A85
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhrfc wrote:
A set of forged aluminium 18” alloys like Fuchs are over a KG lighter per corner than original 17s, so then you get better handling and ride due to reduced in unsprung weight. At least that’s what I’ve found.
Cheers
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My wheels are forged 3 piece split rims and lighter than the Cup2s. My back wheels are very wide which I think makes the biggest difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...I have the 17" 10 spokes which I believe are the lightest OE Porsche wheels...
 



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

For me it is the standard 17" cup 2's which are a nice light wheel, although I have always liked the look of the 17 sport classics also.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

are the experiences with harsh ride on 18" associated with stiffer than standard spring/damper set ups ?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything is relative is it not Wilsonny...? I think this thread started out mentioning wheel diameter difference which can equate to sidewall height if the same rolling radius is retained to maintain speedometer accuracy, thus with a smaller dia wheel the sidewall is likely to be larger (higher aspect ratio) and more compliant thus providing a less harsh ride than with a larger diameter wheel. regardless of whatever spring shocker set-up is on the car...

Of course dependant of spring/shocker settings the ride can be altered to add or subtract a measure of harshness in the ride.

In my earlier post, I compared the difference felt between to 911 SCs, one was a sport the other a non-sport (comfort) model... as well as the difference in wheel diameter, the sport had stiffer shockers Bilstines as opposed to the Boge fitted to the non-sport, which would have added to the difference felt in ride quality.

The OP seems to have felt a measure of difference in handling by changing wheel diameter and tyres to match, with no alteration to suspension....?

I suspect oft times when we splash the cash to to match current "styles" comfort and a degree of handling can be lost...depends on personal prioritisation... Question Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 993 came with 18' howl spokes that turned out to be copies and hence very heavy. After circa 20,000 miles on the them i changed to genuine 17' cup 2. It was to my mind night and day.Both the 18" and the 17" were on new Michelin rubber so was a real like for like comparison. The ride comfort was massively improved and the compliant handling actually meant i was going faster on like for like roads.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting real world experience ATM300, we can tend to be suckers for style on occasion and who does not like the look of a lady in high heels when in terms of practicality and efficiency, something more comfortable would seem ideal.... Well I suspect the same thing goes for modifying Porsches to some degree, when slamming and oversized wheels may be the "in style" ideals, and perhaps in some cases using aftermarket materials to achive THE look, that may fall well below the engineering quality and design that Porsche put into the initial concept...

Sandals showing perhaps.... BUT, I do remember picking up a Fuchs wheel from an SC sport for the first time and being amazed at how light it was... and an acquaintance has a Fuchs wheel with a badly bent rim on the wall of his garage used to coil his water hose on.. despite the rim being folded there are no cracks in it... which kinda hints at the quality built into Porsche that drew me to the Marque in the air cooled years..

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So for context the suspension set up has been left exactly the same. The ohlins shocks have been set up for Scottish B road driving so are pretty compliant on small bumps. I'm also on the same engine mounts so no other changes.

Interestingly the one thing that is different is that the rears on my 18s are from 2012 so at the end or their life, they are also pretty much down to the min depth markers (2mm off maybe). Will report back next spring when I've got new Michelins on.

My conclusion is that the smaller rims and narrower tyres definitely give a more compliant ride and an enjoyably slightly less stable handling in that I can feel then rear of the car moving around a bit more.

It's nice to have such an easy way to change the character of the car.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had 18's on my old C2S and now 17" split rims on the Targa, I have to say the 17's feel great for the car, that said it's had new everything so it should Smile.

But certainly prefer the 17's over the 18's.

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