Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:04 pm Post subject: 993 retro backdate
Hey all
I've just joined the forum and been browsing the different projects etc.
I'm in the process of researching and making plans to take a 993 manual and back date it with wide arches, long bonnet etc to look like a classic but with modern underpinnings. In the same sort of style as a singer 911/ retro works 911.
Right now I'm in the planning and budget stage before buying a 993 to start with.
Mainly I'm just swaying with whether or not to do a wide arch mod on it. What's people's opinions?
I want a clean classic look, 912 style front indicators etc, modern hella projectors/led and led lights behind classic lenses on rear.
Likewise classic style wheels and a reworked engine if budget allows.
Trying to keep the budget tight and only outsourcing labour where needed.
Also anyone have good insurance policies? I already have 3 cars but thereuat be a better way to insure under one policy
Currently they are all seperate.
Thanks, I'm sure I'll have more questions and updates as things progress.
Dream911 Indianapolis
Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2461 Location: London
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:13 pm Post subject:
Hi and welcome.
There is a wealth of experience on this forum so someone wiser than me will be along shortly but I`m curious as to why you are planning a 993 for this project and not a 964 which I would have thought would require less body manipulation to achieve the desired long hood look.
Subscribed to follow your progress anyway.
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Billy Bumpsteer Monza
Joined: 12 Aug 2019 Posts: 158
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:14 pm Post subject:
The 993 is not a good place to start if you want to do all that work, why do you think Singer use 964?
Robertb Dijon
Joined: 01 Sep 2003 Posts: 7324 Location: South Oxfordshire
The issue as said above is that the 993's body was changed a lot vs the 964/3.2 SC so you will have the added complication and expense of bespoke 'retro' parts plus the asking price for a donor car. Saying that, 964s fetch a lot now.
There is a great thread somewhere on a 993 Speedster build by 9m which looked fantastic with its widebody rear, based on a normal cabrio. _________________ "911- the guilt-free supercar"
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ch3tman Imola
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: 993 retro backdate
Saturn wrote:
I'm in the process of researching and making plans to take a 993 manual and back date it with wide arches, long bonnet etc to look like a classic but with modern underpinnings. In the same sort of style as a singer 911/ retro works 911.
A company called KAEGE RETRO has given this a go...
I've never seen any of their creations so can't vouch for them, and only heard of them in passing when I was told they back dated 993's which stuck in my mind (as a waste of a 993).
Saturn Newbie
Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Posts: 3
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:48 pm Post subject:
Thanks, I've seen the retroworks site and the kaege. Kind of where the thought came from to do a 993.
Still a lot of work to do and donor car price will make a difference too
cableguy Watkins Glen
Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 2046 Location: North Yorkshire
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:10 pm Post subject:
PH5121 wrote:
There is a company who undertake such a conversion here in Yorkshire called 911 Retro Works.
I've never seen any of their creations so can't vouch for them, and only heard of them in passing when I was told they back dated 993's which stuck in my mind (as a waste of a 993).
Rear arches and sills look so wrong...
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stichill99 Nürburgring
Joined: 03 Nov 2013 Posts: 409 Location: Scottish Borders
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:32 pm Post subject: 993 backdate
I think if you are wanting an early look car I would really not start with a 993. As others have said go 964 or earlier. If you want a 993 just make it with a nice stance and maybe RS look a likey!
C4Silver Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 14 Aug 2019 Posts: 273
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:11 pm Post subject:
I’m not liking the look of those 993’s if I’m honest, there’s not a great deal of thought gone into those rear arches and even less into the cut out rear cross member ?
Reminds me of of the Twisted Defenders, there’s a few outfits trying to clone their work but no ones actually pulling off the level of detail and quality they are producing, it seems that stamping eyelets into the leather seats “Singer” esque has become the standard in resto modding or back dating, not everyone’s pulling it off though and the ones in that 993 look like something that were on the tents at scout camp in the 80’s !
Not a good look....... especially when you can see the foam behind 😳
HSC911 Long Beach
Joined: 23 Jul 2014 Posts: 6748 Location: Bedford
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:53 pm Post subject:
Do what you want Saturn
Your cash, your car
Good luck with it
nickjonesn4 Montreal
Joined: 10 Aug 2017 Posts: 604 Location: Edinburgh
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:07 pm Post subject:
I think Club Autosport do backdate panels for 993s.
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Tobesetc Albert Park
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:05 am Post subject:
Go for it and keep us up to date with pictures, please! _________________ 993 C4, Coupe '94 manual
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Fulla Imola
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:12 am Post subject: Re: 993 retro backdate
Saturn wrote:
Also anyone have good insurance policies? I already have 3 cars but thereuat be a better way to insure under one policy
Currently they are all seperate.
Thanks, I'm sure I'll have more questions and updates as things progress.
I use Locktons who have multi-car for PCGB members, I am not a Porsche member but still get the member discount. I have 2 Porsche currently on the same policy, the insurer is Chubb.
Direct Tel: +44 (0)121 232 4553
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nickjonesn4 Montreal
Joined: 10 Aug 2017 Posts: 604 Location: Edinburgh
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:15 am Post subject: Re: 993 retro backdate
Fulla wrote:
Saturn wrote:
Also anyone have good insurance policies? I already have 3 cars but thereuat be a better way to insure under one policy
Currently they are all seperate.
Thanks, I'm sure I'll have more questions and updates as things progress.
I use Locktons who have multi-car for PCGB members, I am not a Porsche member but still get the member discount. I have 2 Porsche currently on the same policy, the insurer is Chubb.
Direct Tel: +44 (0)121 232 4553
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Saturn Newbie
Joined: 20 Oct 2019 Posts: 3
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:30 pm Post subject:
Thanks all for the input so far.
I've not 100% committed to a 993 yet. Its still a work in progress and a lot of planning and research to do. Either way it'll be a 964 or a 993. But i have to pull it off as if it was designed that way or I won't be happy with it.
I'm sure I'll have a shed load more questions in the coming months
MattyR Hockenheim
Joined: 21 Sep 2015 Posts: 685 Location: Somewhere Nr Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:17 am Post subject:
Saturn old bean, do whatever makes you happy. If it’s a 993 you want to back-date then go for it I say. You don’t want to invest all that time, effort and bunce and look at the thing wishing you’d stuck with a 993.
As others say it’s more of a long winded process but nothing worth doing is ever easy, is it? Especially if it’s a long-held brainchild dream.
I like the Kaege car; not quite my taste but a cool look. Better engine too That exhaust and rims are quite lovely and I like the lighter look of the dash. Can’t stand it when these back-daters replace the Porsche badge though.. Obviously a Singer is a preferable route but who’s got the money for one of those? And the waiting list is obscene from what I hear. _________________ Atlas Grau on Ocean Blue Gen 2 997 C2 Carrera
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nickjonesn4 Montreal
Joined: 10 Aug 2017 Posts: 604 Location: Edinburgh
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:34 am Post subject:
MattyR wrote:
I like the Kaege car; not quite my taste but a cool look. Better engine too That exhaust and rims are quite lovely and I like the lighter look of the dash. Can’t stand it when these back-daters replace the Porsche badge though.. Obviously a Singer is a preferable route but who’s got the money for one of those? And the waiting list is obscene from what I hear.
Agreed the Kaege one looks great (unlike the UK one which looks dreadful)
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