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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: 993 retro backdate Reply with quote

Hey all
I've just joined the forum and been browsing the different projects etc.

I'm in the process of researching and making plans to take a 993 manual and back date it with wide arches, long bonnet etc to look like a classic but with modern underpinnings. In the same sort of style as a singer 911/ retro works 911.

Right now I'm in the planning and budget stage before buying a 993 to start with.

Mainly I'm just swaying with whether or not to do a wide arch mod on it. What's people's opinions?
I want a clean classic look, 912 style front indicators etc, modern hella projectors/led and led lights behind classic lenses on rear.
Likewise classic style wheels and a reworked engine if budget allows.

Trying to keep the budget tight and only outsourcing labour where needed.

Also anyone have good insurance policies? I already have 3 cars but thereuat be a better way to insure under one policy
Currently they are all seperate.

Thanks, I'm sure I'll have more questions and updates as things progress.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and welcome.


There is a wealth of experience on this forum so someone wiser than me will be along shortly but I`m curious as to why you are planning a 993 for this project and not a 964 which I would have thought would require less body manipulation to achieve the desired long hood look.

Subscribed to follow your progress anyway. Thumb

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 993 is not a good place to start if you want to do all that work, why do you think Singer use 964?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out the Guntherwerks 993 for inspiration.
https://www.guntherwerks.com

The issue as said above is that the 993's body was changed a lot vs the 964/3.2 SC so you will have the added complication and expense of bespoke 'retro' parts plus the asking price for a donor car. Saying that, 964s fetch a lot now.

There is a great thread somewhere on a 993 Speedster build by 9m which looked fantastic with its widebody rear, based on a normal cabrio.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: 993 retro backdate Reply with quote

Saturn wrote:
I'm in the process of researching and making plans to take a 993 manual and back date it with wide arches, long bonnet etc to look like a classic but with modern underpinnings. In the same sort of style as a singer 911/ retro works 911.

A company called KAEGE RETRO has given this a go...






Open Youtube Page


Looks nice from some angles, a little awkward from others...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out www.kaege.de as they are the only company who currently backdate using a 993. Wink

Good luck and subscribed.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beat me to it ch3tman!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a company who undertake such a conversion here in Yorkshire called 911 Retro Works.

Their 993 back date is outlined in the following

www.911-retro-works.co.uk/brochures/Retro%20Works%20993%20GTR%20Brochure.pdf

I've never seen any of their creations so can't vouch for them, and only heard of them in passing when I was told they back dated 993's which stuck in my mind (as a waste of a 993).
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I've seen the retroworks site and the kaege. Kind of where the thought came from to do a 993.

Still a lot of work to do and donor car price will make a difference too
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH5121 wrote:
There is a company who undertake such a conversion here in Yorkshire called 911 Retro Works.

Their 993 back date is outlined in the following

www.911-retro-works.co.uk/brochures/Retro%20Works%20993%20GTR%20Brochure.pdf

I've never seen any of their creations so can't vouch for them, and only heard of them in passing when I was told they back dated 993's which stuck in my mind (as a waste of a 993).


Rear arches and sills look so wrong... Surprised

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:32 pm    Post subject: 993 backdate Reply with quote

I think if you are wanting an early look car I would really not start with a 993. As others have said go 964 or earlier. If you want a 993 just make it with a nice stance and maybe RS look a likey!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m not liking the look of those 993’s if I’m honest, there’s not a great deal of thought gone into those rear arches and even less into the cut out rear cross member ?

Reminds me of of the Twisted Defenders, there’s a few outfits trying to clone their work but no ones actually pulling off the level of detail and quality they are producing, it seems that stamping eyelets into the leather seats “Singer” esque has become the standard in resto modding or back dating, not everyone’s pulling it off though and the ones in that 993 look like something that were on the tents at scout camp in the 80’s !
Not a good look....... especially when you can see the foam behind 😳
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do what you want Saturn Judge

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Good luck with it Pop Corn
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Club Autosport do backdate panels for 993s.

If you feel like doing it then go for it I say Bandit
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it and keep us up to date with pictures, please!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: 993 retro backdate Reply with quote

Saturn wrote:


Also anyone have good insurance policies? I already have 3 cars but thereuat be a better way to insure under one policy
Currently they are all seperate.

Thanks, I'm sure I'll have more questions and updates as things progress.


I use Locktons who have multi-car for PCGB members, I am not a Porsche member but still get the member discount. I have 2 Porsche currently on the same policy, the insurer is Chubb.
Direct Tel: +44 (0)121 232 4553

E-mail:zoe.slattery@uk.lockton.com

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: 993 retro backdate Reply with quote

Fulla wrote:
Saturn wrote:


Also anyone have good insurance policies? I already have 3 cars but thereuat be a better way to insure under one policy
Currently they are all seperate.

Thanks, I'm sure I'll have more questions and updates as things progress.


I use Locktons who have multi-car for PCGB members, I am not a Porsche member but still get the member discount. I have 2 Porsche currently on the same policy, the insurer is Chubb.
Direct Tel: +44 (0)121 232 4553

E-mail:zoe.slattery@uk.lockton.com

www.locktonperformance.com


Get them all on a multi-car policy with Admiral? I have 4 cars on there at a combined saving of approx £1k
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for the input so far.
I've not 100% committed to a 993 yet. Its still a work in progress and a lot of planning and research to do. Either way it'll be a 964 or a 993. But i have to pull it off as if it was designed that way or I won't be happy with it.

I'm sure I'll have a shed load more questions in the coming months
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saturn old bean, do whatever makes you happy. If it’s a 993 you want to back-date then go for it I say. You don’t want to invest all that time, effort and bunce and look at the thing wishing you’d stuck with a 993.

As others say it’s more of a long winded process but nothing worth doing is ever easy, is it? Especially if it’s a long-held brainchild dream.

I like the Kaege car; not quite my taste but a cool look. Better engine too Wink That exhaust and rims are quite lovely and I like the lighter look of the dash. Can’t stand it when these back-daters replace the Porsche badge though.. Obviously a Singer is a preferable route but who’s got the money for one of those? And the waiting list is obscene from what I hear.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattyR wrote:

I like the Kaege car; not quite my taste but a cool look. Better engine too Wink That exhaust and rims are quite lovely and I like the lighter look of the dash. Can’t stand it when these back-daters replace the Porsche badge though.. Obviously a Singer is a preferable route but who’s got the money for one of those? And the waiting list is obscene from what I hear.


Agreed the Kaege one looks great (unlike the UK one which looks dreadful)

Singer waiting list is currently 24 months
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