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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I found myself idly wondering the other day of John Hawkins is or was an honorary member of Porsche Club GB.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the photos, the rear lid looks very poorly aligned.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be very proud to own a genuine 1972 2.4 911S with a poorly aligned engine deck IF it was a genuine 911S and not a misrepresented copy/homage/replica/fake.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the issue I would raise, which I'm sure his lawyers are all over

for any other classic 911, I see a 1973 2.7 RS and a 1972 Purple 2.4 T

Where they state some part in the restoration or work, what am I buying ?

as it's exactly what 4Star Classics did when they flogged a 993 Carrera as a 993 RS and by all accounts got away with it
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=113130
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocking, I always thought they had a good rep.

However, I'm blown away by the detail in the inspection report. I know where I'll be going if I happen to buy a mint classic!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still advertising in Porsche Post - if you are a member of PCGB I urge you to email them requesting that this advertiser be black listed.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:00 pm    Post subject: Specialist Cars of Malton Reply with quote

Wh1t3Kn1ght wrote:
Still advertising in Porsche Post - if you are a member of PCGB I urge you to email them requesting that this advertiser be black listed.


...and in Octane.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most magazines and publications will sell advertising for a year in advance, so maybe this is under review with some!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, what a depressing read. Glad the OP got it sorted, just such a shame it took what it did to get his money back. Lesson for people about getting a PPI. One day i want to own a Porsche of this era so I’ll definitely be getting one!

Heard a similar story about a 356 Speedster from a Porsche specialist with a really good reputation. Last I heard on that one lawyer’s were involved and said dealer wasn’t at that stage admitting the car was a wrong ‘un.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
Curiosly the firm seems savvy to the tricks of the motor trade:

https://www.gordonsllp.com/avoiding-the-classic-potholes-of-classic-car-buying/


They are legal counsel for Morissons supermarkets, one of their staff got upset at being addressed as Ms as it wasn't clear if she was married or not, she promptly got upset about it and now they are playing hardball over a personal injury claim..
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
Curiosly the firm seems savvy to the tricks of the motor trade:

https://www.gordonsllp.com/avoiding-the-classic-potholes-of-classic-car-buying/


Wow - that's DISGUSTING!!!! I've just looked at that link! It reminds me very much of another entirely shoddy automotive law firm (who shall remain nameless) who rely on lazy scaremongering to avoid litigation - which is what appears to be going on here.

Among other things Gordons state:

"Understanding ‘sale or return’
If you buy via a ‘sale-or-return’ agreement from a dealership, it is very likely that you are in fact buying from a private individual."

...and therefore "you miss out on key legal rights available to you had you bought direct from a dealership."

...and as such "there could be little recourse available to the buyer." It heavily suggests / states that you have the same rights as buying from a private individual i.e little to none.

They are being extremely slippery here and it doesn't hold water. Although I am not a legal professional, I do have a degree in contract law and as I have stated previously on the issue of SOR - it all depends on the wording of the contract. It works thus:

The initial contract of consignment is between the car's owner and the dealer (and it's this contract that the original owner will rely on to get his money from the dealer). And then the contract of sale is between the car's buyer and the dealer (and it's this contract, and their consumer rights, that the car's new owner shall rely on if there is any need for recourse should a problem arise). Notice how the original owner and the buyer have nothing to do with each other and therefore have not made a contract together. When you purchase a car under SOR, your contract will be with the dealer to whom you've given consideration (payment) and unless specifically named in the contract, payment to a third party (i.e the car's owner) cannnot be made and thus a third party cannot be approached for any recourse if it's been mis-described etc (it would then be for the dealer to pursue the seller separately based on any false info the seller gave to the dealer when consigning to SOR).

The article even clearly states that under SOR "you may not know who the seller is until after you have purchased the car" So how can you have contracted with someone whose identity / name you do not know?!? - YOU CAN'T!!!

Unless otherwise stated, your contract is with the dealer and as such you have the protection of buying from a dealer.

These shysters are basically trying to persuade Joe Public that they don't have many rights since the car they've bought was sold under SOR. Disgusting practice - I may well report them....
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob, did you use any finance whatsoever?

I’m in the midst of an issue regarding a Lemon. Again, refusal of the vendor to accept responsibility. I used finance, and so I’ve used the ombudsman as a ‘free swing’ at the provider before going fully legal. It may be if you did use finance, you have a claim on them for the interest. I’ve been told the interest rate used by the ombudsman is 8%. Not a small number, and you don’t need to spend much time on it apart from waiting for the lengthy process.

They’ve been very helpful to me, and despite the incredibly long delay, I’m (hopefully 🤞🏼) getting near the end of it!

Extensive write up to follow when all complete!!
 
  
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