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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is of course quite possible that one of my keys was a replacement and the owner chose to upgrade. Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So I've just gotten off the phone with Tobias from HARTECH for the news I've been waiting for since buying the car.....

There is no borescoreing at all, they're absolutely fine! thumbsup I was always confident after Baz had previously commented on the PPI pictures however I wanted to put the issue completely to bed and allow HARTECH to use their own equipment etc to inspect directly. They even commented that the car drives really well and the engine is really strong "a great car" Very Happy

The car also had a major service including spark plug change whilst at HARTECH and I'll be picking it up tomorrow!

Also ordered a GT3 997.2 shifter from Porsche centre Chester, after being told a couple of weeks ago that they couldn't estimate when it would arrive we were told today it would be available for pickup in 2 days!


So this kinda throws into question the average PPI Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly, I'm really shocked that no-one else is picking up on that? if this car was diagnosed with bore score when it's perfectly fine then how many others have been the same? making the problem seem waaaay worse than it is, and also potentially meaning that owners are shelling out £10k+ for rebuilds that aren't necessary!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert SausageTrousers wrote:
Exactly, I'm really shocked that no-one else is picking up on that? if this car was diagnosed with bore score when it's perfectly fine then how many others have been the same? making the problem seem waaaay worse than it is, and also potentially meaning that owners are shelling out £10k+ for rebuilds that aren't necessary!


Indeed, Baz from Hartech wrote a very insightful comment on the state of the industry with regard to offering borescope services. There is skill and experience needed in interpreting borescope pictures, I will make no comment on the PPI conducted on this car by another garage, but what I would say is Hartech are the ultimate authority on such matters and if I was buying a 997 that hadn’t already had a Hartech rebuild I would personally only have Hartech (or OCD Porsche in Wallasey, who I trust and have a good relationship with Hartech) conduct a borescope pre purchase.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert SausageTrousers wrote:
Exactly, I'm really shocked that no-one else is picking up on that? if this car was diagnosed with bore score when it's perfectly fine then how many others have been the same? making the problem seem waaaay worse than it is, and also potentially meaning that owners are shelling out £10k+ for rebuilds that aren't necessary!


I think this is one of those “band wagon” things. People love slagging off people or organisations that are successful and this has allowed them to attack Porsche for a situation that is bad ( mine WAS bore scored, diagnosed and fixed at Hartech) but nowhere as bad as the internet trolls would have you believe. Porsche has not helped themselves by not releasing any failure figures and almost denying that there is an issue. As Baz has said, knowing what you are looking at is key, just because you see vertical stripes in the bore, that is not bore scoring, it is the depth ( as I understand it ) that is the key part, only then will it allow oil to bypass rings etc. I have read everything that Hartech have posted on here ref this situation and obviously talked to Baz, Grant and Tobias about it and understood most of it Surprised , it is a lot more complicated than just looking in a bore than a lot of self appointed “specialists” seem to think. The us of a is unfortunately full of them and they of course tend to shout the loudest on the interweb. Just musing as I type, no attack on anyone but if you want the correct diagnosis of any issue, try and ensure the person you are asking IS qualified to give you the answer.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:

So this kinda throws into question the average PPI Dont know


Not really.
The PPI I paid for identified a number of issues with this car.

Edited as per offer for the OP Thumb

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair point, I think we're talking about borescopes specifically as opposed to PPI's in general though.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@hertsdriver

Hrm.

Since you offered, I would appreciate if you deleted your post as there's some factual inaccuracies in there, I really didn't want this thread to be any sort of spill over from the 'other' thread. I appreciate this wasn't the right car for you and I appreciate you're also making a general defence of PPI service, of which I think the only thing we're calling into question is borescope interpretation from less experienced people.

For avoidance of doubt here are the facts:
1. There is NO uncertainty about the engine.
2. On suspension - the PPI, and the subsequent inspection at Hartech, identified a single leaking rear damper, knocking rear control arm and rear ARB bush worn. Although I will be having a full new suspension anyway probably at centre of gravity as I'd rather get it done all at once and any cars of this age should be thinking about refreshes worship
3. All coolant pipes are being replaced - booked into OCD Porsche
4. Rear pads are 30% and rear disk slightly corroded - i've bought new rear brembo discs and pads which are being fitted shortly at OCD Porsche. Fronts are great with 50% pad wear, will be replaced when needed.
5. The exhaust bolts were rusted, there is nothing else wrong with the exhaust. They've been replaced at Hartech, 90 quid per side.
6. Smoke on start up is a long and contentious issue out side of the scope of this thread, needless to say there is nothing wrong with this car or its engine.
6. I didn't know about the wheel, I'll have to look at that when they get replaced.
7. On the paint - Yes, there is some lacquer peel on the a pillar and a mark on the rear less than a 5p, I'm in contact with some trusted bodyshops for a quote. I've also been in contact with professional detailers 'finerdetails' and 'off your marks,' (both extremely well respected in the industry and the best in the north west) to look at full paint correction, enhancement and ceramic protection. The price you quoted above isn't correct.

Either way, I'd rather we left it there please.[/quote]
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wattso wrote:
@hertsdriver

Hrm.

Since you offered, I would appreciate if you deleted your post as there's some factual inaccuracies in there


Hi, have done so but there were no factual inaccuracies, only differences of opinion Thumb

Best of luck, the car was a bargain at the price you paid for it so I hope it all works out for you thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hertsdriver wrote:
Hi, have done so but there were no factual inaccuracies, only differences of opinion Thumb

Apart from "Rotten Exhaust" Thumb
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