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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
I see they've listed the car again. What a set of to55ers!!!


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Alex wrote:
Only stumbled on it cos I had my eye on this. Not so sure now:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903095706054

Lovely car and ticks Alex's boxes but can't help thinking I'll get stung. Dont know


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"Dependant on source, some used cars available for sale from Sytner Group, may have had multiple users, been part of a vehicle fleet and/or be “ex business” use. In order to meet our manufacturer partner used car preparation standards, all of our cars advertised for sale are subject to strict pre-sale checks carried out by trained vehicle technicians to ensure all cars regardless of source meet the same exacting standards."

Yeah, right!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will all need a rebuild at that sort of mileage, 90-110k, and I am sure 997.2 and all other descendants will also. Same for probably all other high performance engines.

The bore score, IMS, and "must-have PPI" has been discussed to death for 10 years.

Anyone looking at a high performance car with 90k miles on it, should know what they are in for..
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd at least want to rack up a few miles though before gassing the neighbours with all the smog bellowing out the left tailpipe.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if the OP still feels sorry for the salesman now after they've relisted it? Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You'd at least want to rack up a few miles though before gassing the neighbours with all the smog bellowing out the left tailpipe.


It has a 12 month warranty
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll show my ass on the town hall steps if that warranty covers an engine rebuild due to bore scoring.

1. Its a generic design fault (not covered in warranty)
2. Its wear and tear (not covered in warranty)
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? A one year warranty, and if the engine fails, I thought they would have to fix it?
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a parts fails through breakdown and not wear and tear, the warranty company will replace it. The engine has not failed through breakdown (like a chain snapping), it is just worn.

Its all there to read in car warranty Ts & Cs.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
They will all need a rebuild at that sort of mileage, 90-110k, and I am sure 997.2 and all other descendants will also. Same for probably all other high performance engines.

The bore score, IMS, and "must-have PPI" has been discussed to death for 10 years.

Anyone looking at a high performance car with 90k miles on it, should know what they are in for..


Why would they 'all' need a rebuild at 90-110k?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Internal wear - and its a "crude" average.

High performance engine is not going to give anyone 200k miles before something gives.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
Internal wear - and its a "crude" average.

High performance engine is not going to give anyone 200k miles before something gives.

Gen 2 engines are starting to report those numbers, but most of the high milers are 100-150k miles
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Poker2009 wrote:
Internal wear - and its a "crude" average.

High performance engine is not going to give anyone 200k miles before something gives.

Gen 2 engines are starting to report those numbers, but most of the high milers are 100-150k miles


What nonsense. Show me more than 5.

I have just checked auto trader, and there is one Gen 2 car at over 100k miles, and if it was scoped and checked properly, i bet it would show signs of needing engine work.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're a bag of spanners Grin


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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
FZP wrote:
Poker2009 wrote:
Internal wear - and its a "crude" average.

High performance engine is not going to give anyone 200k miles before something gives.

Gen 2 engines are starting to report those numbers, but most of the high milers are 100-150k miles


What nonsense. Show me more than 5.

I have just checked auto trader, and there is one Gen 2 car at over 100k miles, and if it was scoped and checked properly, i bet it would show signs of needing engine work.

Autoscout 24 and USA car websites showing what I stated. I went looking for the thread with a guy who has cracked 200k miles in north America or the like, but can't seem to find it.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above video shows, rod bearing wear at 76k miles, even if you ignore the borescoring problem.

Obviously there is always going to be some nutcase that has driven cross country through america and done 10s of thousands of miles at 60mph.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poker2009 wrote:
As above video shows, rod bearing wear at 76k miles, even if you ignore the borescoring problem.

Obviously there is always going to be some nutcase that has driven cross country through america and done 10s of thousands of miles at 60mph.

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum/1040052-high-mileage-on-997-1-or-997-2-cars-please-post-if-you-re-100k-miles-5.html

The 200k mile car was a 997.1 Floor
There is even a pic of an older car with 370k. Floor
Best sell your car before it hits 60k before the engine goes soft
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it doesn't, but if my engine breaks tomorrow, I will have to have it fixed.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been talking up the low miles for years YKIMS...,
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve just bought mine with 54k miles, and it’s had the engine rebuilt due to bore score, so not only high mile cars suffer from it.
 
  
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