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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:19 pm    Post subject: Potential purchase - over revs Reply with quote

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I'm looking at 2013 4s from OPC, its a good price buts its a manual ex Silverstone car and has been into stage 5 over revs in its track days.

The dealer is happy to put the Porsche warranty on it but I've done some more reading and I'm a bit concerned now. In the first 8 hours of its life it had 38 stage 3; 91 stage 4 and 90 stage 5 ignitions - I've read several posts saying anything in stage 5 requires the engine to be stripped and inspected.


I'm going to speak to the dealer to find out a bit more on the warranty side but anyone with more experience offer some advice
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oof, it’s had the money shift. I’d keep looking if I were you. Unless of course it’s silly cheap.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I would walk away and find another. Why risk the potential stress if something does go wrong.

The next buyer will ask the same questions when you come to sell.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Potential purchase - over revs Reply with quote

r21 wrote:
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I'm looking at 2013 4s from OPC, its a good price buts its a manual ex Silverstone car and has been into stage 5 over revs in its track days.

The dealer is happy to put the Porsche warranty on it but I've done some more reading and I'm a bit concerned now. In the first 8 hours of its life it had 38 stage 3; 91 stage 4 and 90 stage 5 ignitions - I've read several posts saying anything in stage 5 requires the engine to be stripped and inspected.


I'm going to speak to the dealer to find out a bit more on the warranty side but anyone with more experience offer some advice



When you said ex.silverstone, do you mean the OPC or the experience centre.

Although it may have changed, our understanding is that on a manual car Ignitions recorded in Ranges 5 and 6 would not be considered for a warranty, unless they have added a time factor to when it occurred ?

and which OPC is selling this ?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Can't beat a careful running-in period.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Potential purchase - over revs Reply with quote

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r21 wrote:
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I'm looking at 2013 4s from OPC, its a good price buts its a manual ex Silverstone car and has been into stage 5 over revs in its track days.

The dealer is happy to put the Porsche warranty on it but I've done some more reading and I'm a bit concerned now. In the first 8 hours of its life it had 38 stage 3; 91 stage 4 and 90 stage 5 ignitions - I've read several posts saying anything in stage 5 requires the engine to be stripped and inspected.


I'm going to speak to the dealer to find out a bit more on the warranty side but anyone with more experience offer some advice



When you said ex.silverstone, do you mean the OPC or the experience centre.

Although it may have changed, our understanding is that on a manual car Ignitions recorded in Ranges 5 and 6 would not be considered for a warranty, unless they have added a time factor to when it occurred ?

and which OPC is selling this ?


I was at the PEC in Feb and asked what happened to their stock. They tend to keep the GT stuff but everything else ends up in OPC showrooms
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bristol Porsche are selling it and happy to put the extended warranty on it, in fact it has had extended warranty since original warranty expired.

All I know is they said its a SilverStone car so I assume its been used as a track car. It has the x51 power kit and PCCB so I guess it was spec'd to go fast, stop fast.


I also just phoned Porsche Chester (my local OPC) for an independent view, they said if it was a long time ago (it was first 8 hours, done 568 hours now) then they will honour warranty and also if I want to extend it further they will, they are going to double check this and confirm in writing.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

r21 wrote:
Bristol Porsche are selling it and happy to put the extended warranty on it, in fact it has had extended warranty since original warranty expired.

All I know is they said its a SilverStone car so I assume its been used as a track car. It has the x51 power kit and PCCB so I guess it was spec'd to go fast, stop fast.


I also just phoned Porsche Chester (my local OPC) for an independent view, they said if it was a long time ago (it was first 8 hours, done 568 hours now) then they will honour warranty and also if I want to extend it further they will, they are going to double check this and confirm in writing.


OPC Bristol should be open and honest with the car's 'rental' history Hand
ref a recent example http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=133052 By law, dealers must disclose if a car offered for sale is an ex-rental car and in our book this is a car with a rental history

What you need to understand is the number of launch starts the car has and how worn the ceramic brakes are!

What is it with OPC Bristol and Yellow ex-Porsche Silverstone experience cars Dont know
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be looking to avoid that myself.
What's to say Porsche themselves will honour the warranty in the event of a big kaboom down the road?
Less stress to find one that hasn't had it's RS wrung every day.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thread recently about ex-Silverstone Experience cars: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=1470281&highlight=#1470281

I'm curious how you came to know it's an ex-Experience car. Did they volunteer the info, un-prompted, or did you ask the direct question?

Sadly, I think I'd walk away. Unless it's a unicorn spec car which you simply must have, in which case some serious negotiation is in order. Remember, the warranty is for component failure and NOT wear and tear. The hard life it's had on track with multiple drivers being encouraged to give it the beans will obviously have an effect on suspension bushes, bearings, brake friction parts, diffs and drive shafts etc and obviously the clutch. Most of that list will fall under the wear and tear category so you will not be able to claim under warranty so it's no surprise that Porsche is happy to provide warranty cover on these cars.

Adding to the above the over-revs issue and it becomes a less appealing proposition still. While it's comforting to have the full warranty, it's still a ball ache to have your car off the road being fixed if and when it's needed. And when you come to sell the car it's just another thing for a buyer to chip you for.

Although these cars do seem pretty tough and able to take "enthusiastic use" in their stride, I think I'd still be wanting it to be a good £10k cheaper than the equivalent non-Experience car to have me reaching for my debit card.

Obviously not many of us really know how our cars were treated prior to us owning them, but I think it's fair to say that someone who's invested their own money in it will have treated it well. Having done the Silverstone Experience last year, I'm very much looking forward to another one soon. It is a great day and certainly is a testament to the build quality that the cars can do it day in, day out, over and over again. Would I buy one of them though....? It would have to be a pretty special car at a very tempting price.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I asked specifically if was a track car, they said most likely as its ex Silervstone. The fact that its been hammered in its early days would back that up.


PCCB are on 70%

Car is £5K cheaper to a comparable model and its close to the spec that I want i.e. Yellow 4s manual,chrono, PSE, black leather interior. The Powerkit and PCCB are nice to have as well.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn’t buy with range 5. Not worth the hassle later.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the second post in the last few months of a similar nature.

Do OPC's have to say they are selling an ex Silverstone car?

I would not want one if it were me
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn’t buy with range 5. Not worth the hassle later.

I agree, given that it copped a flogging in the early days what ever was going to pop, would have done so already. The hassle will come when you go to sell it and people will question the over rev report as you have done here. Giving you the dealer trade in path as the only option when you go to move it on.
Onto the next one
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don’t usually disclose it and, unless you specifically ask, I can’t see why they would have to.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it IMHO
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That'll be a manual car I assume, never heard of pdk with RR3+ over-revs.
If it was cheap enough, perhaps, but you'd want to know what was checked and, arguably more hours between issue and now.
Not sure 5k is anywhere near enough to 'compensate' for the history.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPC insist it has no bearing on warranty, they have invoices for last two years from previous owner for work done under warranty, they are going to look further into its history to see if any work has been done prior to that. They advise they speak to Porsche head office before purchasing a car to check that Porsche will honour the warranty and as long as the over rev was more than 50 hours ago then they consider it no issue. I spoke to Chester OPC and they backed up what Bristol OPC are saying.


They also said it makes no difference when it comes to trade in although I'm sure it would.


If I decide against this one, I found a nice Red Carrera S that looks promising, Red being second colour choice.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

r21 wrote:
OPC insist it has no bearing on warranty, they have invoices for last two years from previous owner for work done under warranty, they are going to look further into its history to see if any work has been done prior to that. They advise they speak to Porsche head office before purchasing a car to check that Porsche will honour the warranty and as long as the over rev was more than 50 hours ago then they consider it no issue. I spoke to Chester OPC and they backed up what Bristol OPC are saying.


They also said it makes no difference when it comes to trade in although I'm sure it would.


If I decide against this one, I found a nice Red Carrera S that looks promising, Red being second colour choice.


Can’t believe I’m saying it about a racing yellow car, but in this case leave it Thumb If it’s the red one I’m thinking 🤔 of, buy it!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a nice spec car, not sure if I knew what you knew I would want it, bit like finding out your sweet heart was a dirty whore before she met you Surprised most are but we just don't find out.

How do you tell what over rev ranges these cars have been through & why doesn't it affect PDK cars the same as they seem to rev their nuts off in sport plus in the low gears,

is there a way of finding settings on the on board computer to tell, or is it only a dealer that can only find out with IT gaditry.

I understand that a manual can be dropped down several gears from high speed causing over rev, but what about the PDK
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