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AndyS
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:08 pm    Post subject: Plug leads Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

I spotted that one of my plug leads is cracked, so will need to replace them all.
Couple of questions:

Frazerpart are doing the set for £260 delivered (14 parts) - is this a reasonable price?
It's £299 at Design 911 - but I don't have a discount code.....

Should I be changing the Dizzi caps and rotors at the same time?

Is it a DIY?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that is a fair price, you could try eurocarparts or parts4less.
As for changing the dizzy caps and rotors, that depends on their condition and when they were last changed. If it was me I’d change them.
If you have original leads these will all, or should be numbered to which terminal of the dizzy and cylinder they correspond too, if you worked in a methodical way then changing them is diy job, I wouldn’t go pulling all the leads off in one go but change one, maybe two at a time.
Also, while the dizzy caps are off check the condition of the dizzy itself, you may of read an earlier post I put up?
might just save a problem later down the road.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really good write up by Jackal :- http://www.jackals-forge.com/lotus/993/plug%20leads/993_plug_leads.html

I actually got my leads from OPC, always worth checking their prices.
I think you need to be a contortionist to do this job especially on a non-vram. I had to lift the manifold up a bit to get at the retaining blocks.
Take a pic of the leads on the caps before removal with numbers painted on the routing of the wires is tricky otherwise and get hold of a proper tool.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Behr or Bosch? There is a difference . . .
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Behr.....

Good or bad?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beru are the leads supplied by Porsche but use Bosch caps and rotors. There have been problems with Beru dizzy caps coming loose as they do not have lock washers. A plastic trim tool is good for removing the plug caps. When replacing the plugs themselves (another contortionist experience) Jackal's site is great. I have a Snap-On plug socket with built in uj the Porsche tool is crap.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should be OK with just the leads then...?

I did have all 12 plugs changed at the last service less than 1k miles ago

I know how these things spiral out of control......

I've got a cracked lead - so I may as well change them all.
If I'm changing them all, I may as well do the caps and rotors.
If I'm doing that, I may as well get the distributors refurbished.
To help, I may as well drop the engine.
While that's out, I'll get any oil leaks sorted
Replace all the heat shields
Get the top end re-built?
In fact - go to 3.8!


Back in the real world - just a set of leads this time I think Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, I just managed to hit the brakes at 3.8.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’ll get a good idea to how good or bad your dizzy is once you’ve taken the caps off.
I wouldn’t rule out doing that job if it needs doing though.
I know what you’re saying about things spiralling out of control, like so many, I’ve been there done that.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a fair bit of research this time last year, mainly on Rennlist and the consensus as mentioned above was Behr Leads and Bosch Caps & Rotors.
Definitely worth doing but shop around for prices as they can vary considerably. Thumb

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve got Magnecor leads. Many good reports from US owners too. They were custom made a few years ago - the company didn’t make the leads for a 993 (turbo) at the time, but used measurements from my originals. Not sure if they’re now available as a catalogue item. They work well and the light blue colour actually looks rather good too.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyS wrote:
Behr.....

Good or bad?

Apologies, finger trouble, I meant Beru. . . they were a load of trouble!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the feedback guys.
I'll start with the leads, and asses the caps and rotors while at the job. If they look 'iffy - I'll look for Bosch replacements.

Definitely no mission creep this time - getting the scuttle done last time cost me over 15k!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391685780176
Looks very good value. Nice people and very good service. My Beru set was nearer £400
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I changed mine with Beru items, my old leads were shot, they're a perfect fit lead for lead and appear excellent quality, I went for new Bosch caps too. Plus did a refurb on of my disi including new belt.

Hope to fire the beast up over Xmas....

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endoman wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391685780176
Looks very good value. Nice people and very good service. My Beru set was nearer £400


Crazy isn't it....?
Your link is the FrazerPart eBay shop at £295 delivered
On the FrazerPart web site here they are £262 delivered
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very tricky number
Buy a set of screwdrivers off e bay
The stubbiest of stubby screwdrivers
The stubbier the better.
Do the plugs
The leads
The caps
The rotor arms
Beru leads Bosch for the rest
Get a price from Matt at Type911
Do the lot
You won’t regret it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This kit has been so useful for these jobs.
https://chapmanmfg.com/products/master-kit-5575
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beru HT leads are currently available from Carparts4less for £217 all in with the Easter discount code (details on the site).
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello.
Done this job twice now, both times on varioram cars.
It's not a hard job to do, just a bit fiddly and it helps to get the car up on ramps or axle stands so you aren't bent over working and you can get underneath the engine.
Both times I have used the Beru lead set and they were a perfect fit.
I think in the tutorials I read they say to take out the tin ware on the RHS to get to the plug lead under the power steering pump. But if you don't intend to replace the actual plug I found you don't need to. It helps if your hands aren't too big!
As people have said previously, you will need a stubby Phillips driver. I also used a right angled ratchet screwdriver which helped.
The first time it took me about a day and a half. But the second time I did it in a day. But I had discovered by the second time that you didn't have to remove the tin ware.
Take photos on your phone before starting so you have a record of how the leads are routed.
Allow yourself plenty of time and you will be ok.
Good luck.
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