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Zenith Blue C4 993 - now mine :-)

On the over heating subject, my car had a thermostat issue and a slow speed fan resistor problem a few years back. However, the temperature gauge only went up to the 10 O'Clock mark. As said, if the oil cooler resistor is shot the fan defaults to full speed. I replaced both the resistor and the insides of the thermostat and it sits at just below the 9 O'Clock mark and goes up to just above the 9 O'Clock mark when stuck in traffic. This is how it performed in Kuwait too when the summer temperatures were as much as 52C

ATB :)
 
9xxnick said:
Did the car actually overheat during the test drive? i wasn't sure if I'd understood that correctly from the original post. If it did, you would absolutely want confirmation that the fauly had been rectified and that there hadn't been any knock-on effects of the overheating. I'd be very wary of that though, and it shouldn't occur even if the low speed resistor has failed. The fan thermostat should pick up the overheating and the fan should come on at its full speed if the low speed resistor's failed.

The bonnet alignment issue is worrying, and in particular the distortion of the rail on the wing that carries the seal. That rail wouldn't have left the factory with that kink in it, and it's difficult to imagine what forces could have acted on it to distort it in that fashion. Obviously we're trying to assess this from a photo and without the benefit of being able to see the area in person, but that would be ringing alarm bells, particularly in combination with the adjacent bonnet distortion.

Have you tried contacting Center Gravity and asking them about this car? If they've had it on their geometry rig they will have picked up any oddities.

I suggest caution is required. At the end of the day I think you should be able to secure a good car without obvious bodywork flaws at this price.

Needle at max. Hence is temp gauge issue rather than cooling related? Surely engine woukd have siezed otherwise
 
crypticc said:
Needle at max. Hence is temp gauge issue rather than cooling related? Surely engine woukd have siezed otherwise

Agreed, so long as the needle goes to maximum immediately when the ignition is switched on, in which case I presume the sender is defective (short to earth?).

Probably not wildly expensive to sort, but you would expect it to be properly fixed before sale.
 
Shown as sold on Williams Crawford's website.........did you buy it, OP?
 
Counter Of Beans said:
Shown as sold on Williams Crawford's website.........did you buy it, OP?
Crawford's has another 993 C4 for sale. The new ones in Arena Red and looks good in the photos. Too cheap so far as I'm concerned at 85k miles and under £50k.
 
9xxnick said:
crypticc said:
Needle at max. Hence is temp gauge issue rather than cooling related? Surely engine woukd have siezed otherwise

Agreed, so long as the needle goes to maximum immediately when the ignition is switched on, in which case I presume the sender is defective (short to earth?).

Probably not wildly expensive to sort, but you would expect it to be properly fixed before sale.


It did and it will be. I didn't realise but thanks for confirming


And to next post I did with conditions
 
Zingari said:
tyinsky said:
I just bought a handful of those nipple things at the price Tobesetc was quoted! :pc:

Macadamia type. I always go for monkey nuts :thumb:

Looks like the boot was overfilled or as you surmise something stuck as they tried to close it.

Compressor would be least of my concerns, it's when you have to change the evaporator and the 10+ hrs of labour cost for a £100 part :roll:

That said Crawfords are not know for selling turds rolled in glitter :what:

Agree with Zingers on this. On any 993, I'd certainly want to know when the evaporator was last replaced. Also, I've not seen bargain £100 units - isn't it more like £300+ from an OPC? Unfortunately (!) it's fairly easy to use one of the commercial 'leak stop' additives and a fresh re-gas to get an a/c system running nice and cold to 'pass a cursory inspection'. But it is just putting off an inevitable and large bill. Another thing I've found is that rear top mounts are not cheap and are an expense some would happily avoid. On the plus side though, a 993 which has been properly maintained is a joy to drive and the best maintained examples appear to hold their value quite well.
 
The NRF units are fine so far as I can tell, and are about £75 or so. Time will tell, but mine's been in for a couple of years now and no problems to date.

Oddly enough, the OEM Behr unit I previously fitted to replace the original condensor failed within 3 years, and the replacement for that was an NRF unit too, which came recommended from the well respected Porsche independent's aircon guy, so I feel reasonably happy with my selection.

There are some upmarket units available from a US company, but they are quite expensive and possibly a little OTT for UK weather. They do look nicely made though and would hopefully be ultra-reliable.
 
Crypticc, seems like you are somewhat skilled and thorough relative to your inspection processes, admirable indeed. I do wonder in general just how perfect Porsches of this age are expected to be relative to the possible realities..? I suspect if on balance the priorities are investing more than driving enjoyment then it would seem that the importance of ZERO accident damage may indeed figure highly on the list of priorities..? If one intends to partly use a Porsche then it seems that the responsibility of protecting one`s investment may just have the potential to dilute the real enjoyment of the very special and different driving experience that a Porsche can provide.

There are those who can derive enjoyment of their Porsche by it`s mere existence in the garage and may never or rarely take it out on the road which in terms of investment may work out rather well.... each to their own.

I bought my present "classic" car from a garage owner with specialist knowledge in the marque who stripped all of the body chassis and ancilliaries and refinished it to a higher standard than the original finishes using stainless steel fixings wherever possible and paying special attention to all the usual problem areas of which he had gained knowledge of over many years with a view to extending the machines longevity..... which has indeed proven it`s worth over my circa 16 years of ownership...

The chap who rebuilt what was his car at the time did use it for at least one trip to France though given how much time effort and money he must have put into the machine perhaps caused him to cringe every time a stone hit the paintwork.... I don`t know for sure.

Me, I have used my car on trips to Southern Europe and as a result it has gathered signs of usage..... In terms of investment potential... it has arrived at the stage where I feel it owes me nothing given the enjoyment it has provided over many years of ownership, though admittedly has perhaps only covered circa 25k miles in that time... hmm!

As is my habit I have rambled on a bit though the misalignment you highlighted in the bonnet and the drain channel may well have been caused by someone forgetful like me working in the frunk and having placed a screwdriver in the drain channel as a handy place, forgot to remove it prior to lowering the bonnet, which would also explain why the lip of the drain channel was deformed to the extent shown in your pic... :?:
 
Luddite said:
...I have used my car on trips to Southern Europe and as a result it has gathered signs of usage..... In terms of investment potential... it has arrived at the stage where I feel it owes me nothing given the enjoyment it has provided over many years of ownership...

Love using mine. Could not care one bit what it is worth down the line. Would be wonderful if I manage to get to 300,000 miles before they ban petrol cars or death (whichever comes sooner)
 
tyinsky said:
Luddite said:
...I have used my car on trips to Southern Europe and as a result it has gathered signs of usage..... In terms of investment potential... it has arrived at the stage where I feel it owes me nothing given the enjoyment it has provided over many years of ownership...

Love using mine. Could not care one bit what it is worth down the line. Would be wonderful if I manage to get to 300,000 miles before they ban petrol cars or death (whichever comes sooner)

Funny I had almost the exact conversation with my mate this morning.
 
Luddite said:
Crypticc, seems like you are somewhat skilled and thorough relative to your inspection processes, admirable indeed. I do wonder in general just how perfect Porsches of this age are expected to be relative to the possible realities..? I suspect if on balance the priorities are investing more than driving enjoyment then it would seem that the importance of ZERO accident damage may indeed figure highly on the list of priorities..? If one intends to partly use a Porsche then it seems that the responsibility of protecting one`s investment may just have the potential to dilute the real enjoyment of the very special and different driving experience that a Porsche can provide.

There are those who can derive enjoyment of their Porsche by it`s mere existence in the garage and may never or rarely take it out on the road which in terms of investment may work out rather well.... each to their own.

I bought my present "classic" car from a garage owner with specialist knowledge in the marque who stripped all of the body chassis and ancilliaries and refinished it to a higher standard than the original finishes using stainless steel fixings wherever possible and paying special attention to all the usual problem areas of which he had gained knowledge of over many years with a view to extending the machines longevity..... which has indeed proven it`s worth over my circa 16 years of ownership...

The chap who rebuilt what was his car at the time did use it for at least one trip to France though given how much time effort and money he must have put into the machine perhaps caused him to cringe every time a stone hit the paintwork.... I don`t know for sure.

Me, I have used my car on trips to Southern Europe and as a result it has gathered signs of usage..... In terms of investment potential... it has arrived at the stage where I feel it owes me nothing given the enjoyment it has provided over many years of ownership, though admittedly has perhaps only covered circa 25k miles in that time... hmm!

As is my habit I have rambled on a bit though the misalignment you highlighted in the bonnet and the drain channel may well have been caused by someone forgetful like me working in the frunk and having placed a screwdriver in the drain channel as a handy place, forgot to remove it prior to lowering the bonnet, which would also explain why the lip of the drain channel was deformed to the extent shown in your pic... :?:

Thank u

And WC are being thorough in addressing each of my concerns. New photos (that I should've taken myself). SpareWheel and battery out to show no structural damage inside. (I forgot the battery). Wheels all off and inspections on the more structural areas of the car. Already had when, I think front bumper coming off too... And will have photos at that point of the whole underside. New venturi will be installed when it's all put back together.
So to be clear I've no concerns currently with how I'm being treated - maybe I'm being a nervous ninny
 
Brief update

Hi

This is a post to update.
Concerns addressed :
Bonnet alignment done and with video.
Front and wings dismantled to show no underlying damage
Under tray repainted while there as was concerned for a scrape.
The only thing that shows is of dirt and perhaps someone overtightened one of the fan shrouds.
Oil sensor contacts cleaned (want to get description of how that'll help although I guess an earthing fault might be that)
Rear brake pipes
Gear shift gaitor clips.
Tiny amount of rust in bottom of door jam sorted. Taken back to metal.
They're forgotten to correct the paint on the roof.

I also chated with previous owner who advised its okay (he used it in for a 996 turbo). The only thing I'd missed was apparently aircon high stops working. He also said clutch was mentioned and was a negotiating point on his sale. (the clutch is only few thousand miles old)

Photos of front end below

Payment due though will be looking for written assurance on oil sensor and aircon and clutch will be covered by their warranty if they return, and then get a post purchase inspection.


Chris
 
Interesting update, I suspect that your inspection regime far exceeds anything I was ever involved with over more than 50 years of buying transport, but then I was rarely buying into the idea of investment potential, or re-sale value as a priority.

From all you type it seems you have confidence in the machine, it`s history and perhaps more importantly it`s capability to provide you with confidence in it`s purchase... I do hope that it brings you all that you would hope for in whichever way you choose to enjoy your Porsche....

Each to their own when it comes to deriving enjoyment from their cars, and as I typed it seems all too easy to become a slave to a machine, though my personal ideals determine that the machine exists to be a slave to my desires of it .... (-:

My old car was as perfect as one of it`s type could be when I bought it given the processes applied to make it so, it even won a concours trophy at an event I did not enter it into as it sat in the hotel car park while attending a marque weekend gathering in the Lakes some years back...even though the first day I had it home I had driven it up an unmade road with stones flying everywhere, preferring to get IT over with, as opposed to feeling the equivalent of death by a thousand cuts each and every time a stone hit... Check out the attached pic of a back-road we travelled while touring parts of Spain a few years back.... I suspect the tyres kicked up a stone or two on that trip which was just one of a many exploring back-roads in a few different countries over the years... Returns on the investment..?? You bet.. I even have loads of pics to look back on and enjoy from those trips.... (-:

I am just about to go out into the garage and continue the rather too slow re-commissioning process of my old car after too many years off the road, it is jacked up on axle stands and surprisingly the underside is not scarred to bare metal, the paint is still looking good, a tad dusty but no real damage.... which would seem to suggest that good quality workmanship can take on the rigours of the road and if maintained well enough and can continue to do so for longer than some might imagine..? Such was the design and quality of Porsche as I came to know them as ever being quite special, compared with all the other older cars I had CARnal knowledge of over many years... (-:

Keeping my fingers crossed all goes as well as you might hope. :thumb:
 

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