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NedHan79
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye can’t be too careful. Had a similar experience here not so long ago with the carbon monoxide in the house. Can’t be too careful
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maldren wrote:
FZP wrote:
Although I can't add anything about removing the sealer, I can say that mixing parafin and diesel oil 50/50 makes a fantastic home made WD40. Great for protecting garden/building tools before,during and after use. Premise it, top some into a small container and apply with a paint brush.


I bet it smells lovely too....

Partum d'gasolio. Come to think of it, fair chance it could be a poor man's Waxoil
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spent a few hours tonight cleaning around the gearbox area and a little forward of it. I used white spirit and a paint brush at the start but after a while I tried tar and glue remover in a spray bottle, then brushed it. It’s a lot cleaner to use as it’s not dripping round you so much. Everything looks to be in good order though looking on down the sides at the sills don’t look so hot.
I had cleaned some of the waxoil off down the sides already, just what I could reach with the car sitting on the floor. Just a quick going over as I’m going to strip the sealer off. I’m guessing the job will be a little easier with out the waxoil clogging up the wire brushes.

It’s just a little bit more of a big job done

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a fun job for sure given all the awkward situations that that goo can be sprayed into that now are so difficult to get to.

Perhaps if you can get someone to steam clean it commercially might be much easier on you...?

Take care if using wire brush risks taking paint off on edges, where paint is generally thinnest, if you think a wire brush is best for you then perhaps less damage is risked if a brass wire brush can be used... It takes a measure of determination to take on such a task... Admirable indeed.. Good luck with it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is only really the pre clean stage as the sealer has to come off as I want to refinish the whole chassis for the future. I do t want to take into it with a wire wheel when the oil is still on it as I think it will just be a far messier job.

I’m looking at this car with the intention of it being the one I keep. I can sort labour so only have to pay for parts which makes a massive difference in a job like this
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez, all credit to your intentions NedHan... though having been there and done something similar more than once. When I lost my first vehicle so restored in an accident there is no way I was compensated for, all the effort put in let alone the cash I spent.... Long before the days of Agreed Value Insurance... NOT that AVI guarantees anything matching generalised expectations of it for some..? Sorry if that thinking is a tad on the negative side but may be worth considering to some degree as forewarned can be fore armed..?

As for resale at any future time with thoughts of investment potential.... I have grave doubts on that score. Though as I have typed elsewhere on this forum making a car into ones idea of perfection can risk diluting a measure of enjoyment in actually driving it and perhaps more so every time the PING of a stone hitting the bodywork may cause you to cringe..let alone the shopping trolley scars.. if ..you are ever forced to use your Porsche for an everyday task as the result of unusual circumstances...??? Nah.. no point in parking it furthest away from the door of the shops where no one parks... as on your return you will find that a Porsche attracts other cars to park around it more than fly`s are attracted to the proverbial.... Sorry I have digressed as ever.. )-:

In my limited experience up to early eighties 911`s Porsche sealing materials were pretty effective thus if I were inclined to remove it I would need to be sure that whatever I intended to replace it with would do the job just as well as a minimum, if not an improvement.... Having removed Porsche applied under-seal I was impressed with it`s rubberised qualities which did a far better job of protection from stone chips than the more usual body shoots, or thin coating of stone chip... I suspect the Porsche stuff may be applied hot thus goes on a lot thicker. The problem I had with it was that if it became deeply scarred, corrosion would then work on the scar causing the under-seal to loose grip and allowing water in behind and providing a pocket in which the mix of salt and water was held up against the bodywork and could do it`s worst to spread under the coating... I have posted old pics of such 911 SC corrosion in the recent past.

I suspect the only reason I might have to remove sealer would be if I suspected it was not Porsche applied and may have been used in a suspected repair process that may not quite meet Porsche standards...

On the other hand I have known skilled folk determined to improve either their m/cycles, cars, boats, houses etc. etc. etc. who have done a great job spent loads of time, personal effort and cash in the process, which worked out very well for them. As I have eluded to, I have done a bit of that myself, though sometimes it does not work out well in the long term as material choices can be perhaps more complex than hoped for and given in this case Porsche have been at it for some considerable time gaining expertise in material choices to extend longevity when compared to some other marques...I wonder if it is relatively simple to find matching or better material specs .

Admittedly I have ZERO up to date experience relative to the more recent decision making processes in manufacturing that involve risk management in ever higher degrees, along with other cost cutting processes, dare I mention a certain recent aircraft design...OUCH !!

I wish you every success in your aims, as for their worth... time will tell.. but I think I understand the real value of a challenge that so many of us take on, in which others question our sanity, while they sit on the couch... Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Luddite. Some excellent points. I’m expecting to have some repair work to do when the sealer comes off. I have no intention of building a show car that I can’t use. All I intend to do is fix it up to the best I can and keep it good for the years to come as I have no intention of selling it. It will need some paint on the top side but I’m putting that off for a year or 2 as I just don’t have the cash.

I have no idea of what products I’ll use so I’m all ears for tips
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NedHan I am pleased that you found something of interest in my rambling... I have no issues with garage queen vehicles or their owners priorities for them, that they can enjoy them in their own way would seem to be the all important aspect of ownership.

Given I have only covered circa 25k miles in my fun car in 16 years who am I to criticise anyone..though a very long term self build house extension and restoration project kinda took over much of my "spare" time for way too long.. But I have been working on re-commisioning the old car now that the weather has warmed up. The challenge will be to see if I can still get in and out of it..if not I will be looking for a 911... (-:

Seems many 911 and other classic car owners may limit themselves to 3k miles a year for a variety of reasons that work well enough for them, I managed circa 4k miles on one European holiday trip in my old car a few years back.. Perhaps best enjoy what we can while we can... Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car doesn’t get out of the garage much but that’s more down to my own personal circumstances more than anything else. I enjoy working on it as much as using it(almost Floor )

I put a few hours in last night again. This time inside the rear arches. The sealer on most of it is in great condition so I may not strip it all. The section closer to the arch will have to be stripped as it’s split in a few places although the metal still looks good underneath. The rear of the arches will need attention but I knew that already so atm I’m happy enough with my findings
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nedhan, that looks to be very clean indeed.. (-: I can well understand your plan for your Porsche and at least some of the motivation behind it. As I have typed elsewhere on this forum I stripped the engine and gearbox out of a friends SC Sport some years back in order that he and his very competent wife could clean EVERYTHING and boy did they both put in tremendous effort in that process. When the time came to put the engine and box back in I thought I needed to wear gloves in order not to leave finger prints on it, the alloy had been given a mirror finish... Unfortunately in the climate hereabouts it did not take too long before it tarnished even with very little usage..which seemed a real pity, but then again I suppose there may be varnishes and the likes that could have protected all their efforts..Though finding varnishes that can take the heat of an engine bay over any length of time...hmm..???

I can remember a time when customary practice for car showrooms would be to apply tyre black paint to tyres that were past their best, then with the passage of time and introduction of steam cleaners, a quick blast in the engine bay to clean off all the grime and a spray can of some kind of cheap varnish on the air cleaner and rocker covers, rejuvenated some old former private taxi into a one owner carefully maintained pile of junk....(-: Add a bit more time and all sorts of wonder automotive finishes appeared on the market like Son of a Gun, which if I remember correctly was an STP product and boy did it make a dashboard shine up wonderfully well, as it also did to upholstery.... though you had to slow down in corners as your own rear end had little grip in the overly shiny seats... Perhaps not a bad thing for early 911 owners...(-:

I think that perhaps some of these once high profile products were in time found to have detrimental effects on the surfaces to which they were applied making them harder to re-clean... Also trying to remove peeling lacquer on an engine seems like no fun whatsoever... Kinda like the difference between the look of old Brit m/cycles alloy engines when compared to the seventies Jap stuff that looked hideous once the paint and lacquer started pealing off to reveal the unpolishable pot base metal that they had used... hmm..

I had the cooling fan, rocker covers and all the tin ducting around the engine in my early eighties SC powder coated in a mix of red black and white, though the white was a tad ..err..bling more so with the replacement stainless steel silencers...!!! Photo elsewhere on this forum... yeah a bit OTT... and the clever guys determine that powder coating the fan is a less than ideal solution given the metal it is made of sheds that coating in time... how much time..? It might be handy to know to judge whether worthwhile or not.. for that fan and casing can sure look more at home in a washing machine than the engine bay of one of the worlds finest sports cars... incoming..!!!!!!

Today... I expect that there will be far more choice in terms of materials to protect and beautify all the effort dedicated folk put in to removing as many of the years of usage from old machinery as they can.... It could seem a reasonable idea to ask folk to list what they have found to work well in any and all such processes, to help those just starting out with their various projects..?

As for deriving some form of pleasure from that which may or may not be termed a garage queen by others.... I am perhaps more affected than I care to thing for I have just parts of cars around my garage which I keep and value for some reason... A set of ALL-FIN brake drums from a 55 TR2... a Morgan 2 litre engine, 911 engine cover, steering rack and more besides.... as our American cousins might say... go figure... (-:

So you see NedHan you seem to be following a well trodden path that very many have instinctively been drawn to before and for a multitude of their own reasons, enjoying the process would seem to be all that really matters.. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoying the process might be a little much Floor

I do get some satisfaction out of being able to say that I did that.
My car may not be the best in the world but it’s well specced, has a good history and reasonably low mileage and it was all I could afford. It’s very well worth a bit of time and effort to save. I know the parts bill will be 5 times what I expect and there’s more work than I ever thought, but I’ll make it the best I can on a reasonable budget.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a little more done. Most of the front done now including wheel arches. Same as the rear, most of the sealer is in good shape and has served it’s purpose well. Some splits in it though so not sure how to go about the whole job now. Pretty sure everything between the wheels(as in the floor pan) will need the sealer stripped, prepped and re-sealed. The sills will definitely need work as they’re past it.

Inside the front suspension turrets will need rubbed back and painted but I’m confident that’s all.
No idea what products to use for any of this. I want the best job possible but I’m limited to working on axle stands in a very tight garage so spraying won’t be easy. I’ve been looking at por15 but still undecided. It might be perfect for the turrets but I’d like to be using a sealer again on the floor.

End of June is the time to start the real graft but I’ve probably a full days work done so at least it’s a head start.
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