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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject: 991 now almost the same price as 997’s Reply with quote

So browsing AT, and saw a 997 C4S at an OPC for £56k and other good 997’s are £45-£50k.

991 C2S’s are now available for £50k for a boggo spec one and you can even get a Sport Chrono, PSE C2S for £56k at an Indy dealer.

How much further has the 991.1 got to fall and are we going to see a £70k GTS soon ? (Selfishly I hope so Very Happy )
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the mileage on the 997 and 991 comparable?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think its the most desirable 997.2 in a good spec with low mileage versus lowest spec high mileage 99.1 = similar prices
As soon as you spec up the 991.1 plus with lower mileage the price jumps right up.

I think both of these cars will be /are desirable to us enthusiasts as they are non turbo , look nicer & sound nicer with NA larger petrol engines.

Eventually we will end up with ***** electric hoverbuvaards Bandit
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you compare like-for-like models with similar 'mileage per annum' the gap is still significant - especially so if you also factor in buying the cars from the same source in both cases.

The 991.1 is still depreciating, probably more as a % than an equivalent 997, but it is still a much dearer car to buy.

I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the 991.1 GTS is 70K I will be straight in to trade mine & buy one.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 991 "boggo spec" values still have some falling to do simply because there are so many of them. Since the 991 was produced in greater numbers than the 997 in each model I think it's only the very special 991 models which will hold strong. The 991 GTS models have taken a tumble lately and they start at £76k (one at an OPC for £76.8k) so if that's what you want then get cracking - there are 70 of them on AT including the GTS4 at the moment so there's lots to choose from so I can't see values staying at that level over the next year or so.

I guess a Mondeo buyer could also be asking why should he buy a previous shape Titanium X when he could have a lovely fresh current shape Mondeo Zetec. Or a BMW buyer would shun a 4 year old M3 in favour of a new 335i.

I think some of it may come down to what you want on your driveway - for some people having the neighbours think they have a "new" Porsche counts for a lot.

But if residual values are a major concern then generally buying a better / rarer model ought to retain some desirability when the time comes to move it on. Sometimes it's better to spend a lot and lose a little than spend a little and lose a lot.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

991

https://www.lawtonbrook.co.uk/listings/porsche-911-3-8-991-carrera-s-pdk-2-2/

997

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903286358278
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiteral wrote:
991

https://www.lawtonbrook.co.uk/listings/porsche-911-3-8-991-carrera-s-pdk-2-2/

997

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903286358278


Those prove my point. One is a 2S and one is a 4S.

You won't find a below average mileage 991 4S for under £57k anywhere. nooo
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Those prove my point. One is a 2S and one is a 4S.

You won't find a below average mileage 991 4S for under £57k anywhere. nooo


Ahh that shows my inexperience as a Porsche newbie !

I didn’t realise that the 4S carried that much desirability and price difference.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol reality check 991.1 prices are pretty rigid. A decent spec low miles S has been the same minimum price for quite a while, not really budging at all, long may it continue worship The high miles lower spec stuff has fallen, but that applies to all makes and models including the 997.
991.1 GTS have probably budged a little as they were overpriced AKA 997 GTS which have moved similarity....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy


£75,950..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903085685172 Thumb

I'm sure you could make an offer to get closer to 70...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrJimBone wrote:
T8 wrote:
I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy


£75,950..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903085685172 Thumb

I'm sure you could make an offer to get closer to 70...


And yes it's cheaper - for a reason! It's got 43,000 miles on the clock, which is pretty high for a GTS! Most buyers want much lower much lower mileages and so will pay more, for less, so to speak ......

Ashgoods look like they're preparing to sell a 52,000 mile GTS4 Cabrio for £76K - so it looks as if only the high mileage cars are trending down towards the £70K mark....

I think good 991.1 Cars with a decent spec are starting to firm up ....
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad Mark911 wrote:
DrJimBone wrote:
T8 wrote:
I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy


£75,950..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903085685172 Thumb

I'm sure you could make an offer to get closer to 70...


And yes it's cheaper - for a reason! It's got 43,000 miles on the clock, which is pretty high for a GTS! Most buyers want much lower much lower mileages and so will pay more, for less, so to speak ......

Ashgoods look like they're preparing to sell a 52,000 mile GTS4 Cabrio for £76K - so it looks as if only the high mileage cars are trending down towards the £70K mark....

I think good 991.1 Cars with a decent spec are starting to firm up ....


Thumb Were a long way off cheap 991's! Thank god my brexit nightmare price crash turned out to be complete balls... Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Mad Mark911 wrote:
DrJimBone wrote:
T8 wrote:
I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy


£75,950..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903085685172 Thumb

I'm sure you could make an offer to get closer to 70...


And yes it's cheaper - for a reason! It's got 43,000 miles on the clock, which is pretty high for a GTS! Most buyers want much lower much lower mileages and so will pay more, for less, so to speak ......

Ashgoods look like they're preparing to sell a 52,000 mile GTS4 Cabrio for £76K - so it looks as if only the high mileage cars are trending down towards the £70K mark....

I think good 991.1 Cars with a decent spec are starting to firm up ....


Thumb Were a long way off cheap 991's! Thank god my brexit nightmare price crash turned out to be complete balls... Grin

That's because we haven't brexited yet and the flood of 991.1 and 991.2 are about to hit the market over the next few months. The apocalypse is yet to unleash it's fury on the 991 market. Doom and gloom awaits. Floor
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Mad Mark911 wrote:
DrJimBone wrote:
T8 wrote:
I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy


£75,950..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903085685172 Thumb

I'm sure you could make an offer to get closer to 70...


And yes it's cheaper - for a reason! It's got 43,000 miles on the clock, which is pretty high for a GTS! Most buyers want much lower much lower mileages and so will pay more, for less, so to speak ......

Ashgoods look like they're preparing to sell a 52,000 mile GTS4 Cabrio for £76K - so it looks as if only the high mileage cars are trending down towards the £70K mark....

I think good 991.1 Cars with a decent spec are starting to firm up ....


Thumb Were a long way off cheap 991's! Thank god my brexit nightmare price crash turned out to be complete balls... Grin

That's because we haven't brexited yet and the flood of the less desired 991.2 are about to hit the market over the next few months. The apocalypse is yet to unleash it's fury on the 991.2 market. Doom and gloom awaits, while 991.1 owners are laughing all the way to the bank 🏦 Floor


Yep I agree with the above Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
FZP wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Mad Mark911 wrote:
DrJimBone wrote:
T8 wrote:
I think a 70k 991.1 GTS is still a bit away yet, sorry. Very Happy


£75,950..?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201903085685172 Thumb

I'm sure you could make an offer to get closer to 70...


And yes it's cheaper - for a reason! It's got 43,000 miles on the clock, which is pretty high for a GTS! Most buyers want much lower much lower mileages and so will pay more, for less, so to speak ......

Ashgoods look like they're preparing to sell a 52,000 mile GTS4 Cabrio for £76K - so it looks as if only the high mileage cars are trending down towards the £70K mark....

I think good 991.1 Cars with a decent spec are starting to firm up ....


Thumb Were a long way off cheap 991's! Thank god my brexit nightmare price crash turned out to be complete balls... Grin

That's because we haven't brexited yet and the flood of the less desired 991.2 are about to hit the market over the next few months. The apocalypse is yet to unleash it's fury on the 991.2 market. Doom and gloom awaits, while 991.1 owners are laughing all the way to the bank 🏦 Floor


Yep I agree with the above Thumb

Paraphrasing and quoting are 2 very different things Hand Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend could have bought a very nice 56 plate,80k 997 4s for under £20k a couple of weeks ago but got the wobbles last minute.

There are a few lovely 997's under £20k around,the 991 has a loooong way to go in time and cash before that get level gets achieved.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a lot of the values are determined by trade in offers. Within my group of friends we have had 3 examples of trade in offers recently on cars:

997.2 4S (29,000 miles) bought Jan 18 for £57,000
Trade in offer Jan 19 (33,000 miles) - £51,000
Sold by OPC for £57,000 in March 19

981 Boxster GTS (26,000 miles) bought June 2018 for £48,000
Trade in offer April 19 (28,000 miles) - £44,500
Currently up for sale by OPC - £52,500

991 Carrera 2S (32,000 miles) with high spec Bought Feb 18 for £64,000
Trade in offer April 2019 (40,000 miles) - £49,000
Told OPC would retail for £57,000

So the 991 is taking the biggest hit over the year as the other two have either retained value or gone up in price. If I was buying again I would go for the 991 though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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991 Carrera 2S (32,000 miles) with high spec Bought Feb 18 for £64,000
Trade in offer April 2019 (40,000 miles) - £49,000
Told OPC would retail for £57,000


I thought that was a pretty low ball offer they gave, as that car has a nice spec, & aero kit maybe the mileage is on the up but I reckon they would be just under £60k

They seem to work on 6 -7 k at OPC

They put 6k on my recent trade in car 997.2 C4, which is more than I paid for it 4 years ago, it dropped 3k in 4 years, all in all they are still holding their money so much better than other marques.

I wonder if I will do as well on my 991.1 C2S maybe if there is a enthusiastic swing to the NA cars with slightly nicer sound.

My thoughts are that the astronomical cost of the new 992 will bolster the prices of all previous cars from 997 Gen 2 onwards.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Graham - 49k trade was from the same OPC you got your 991. Trade in from 2 other OPCs were similar on the 991.
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