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993 C2 to 997 GT3???

hudat said:
So I've had my C2 for 8yrs and I love it to death.
It's got PSS10's, every bush done, lower arms replaced etc etc....sweet as a nut. Last year though on my last weekend cross country to Applecross, my buddy absolutely left me for dead. To be fair he's in super car territory with his car but even then, we're on public roads so it's all within reason but I was miles behind at one point and I was really trying...

My car is (has been 🙄) perfect for this and it's all I love about it - proper A/B road car. It's just that the game has moved on sooooo much I'm feeling a bit slow.

I've driven a few GT3's and I love them, all the feel with a decent kick in the arse. So ultimately considering selling mine and finding the balance of funds or do I continue to refine my car for me, investing in some more mods, lightening etc...

I'm in 1st world crisis... 😂


As others are saying, be careful. I regretted selling my 964 and ended up back in an air cooled car. I like the GT3 a lot and almost went that way (997.1) instead of the 993 but ultimately charm and beauty won over speed and lower running costs.

Up on those fabulous roads in Scotland, sun shining, sunroof cracked open a little (probably with the heater on!) listening to the engine the 993 seems perfect to me. Wouldn't really bother me if someone in a McLaren was covering ground quicker. To be honest I doubt a 996 GT3 would be covering ground that much quicker on those roads than me?
 
Slippydiff said:
Daniel said:
I went 993 C4, 993 C2 and on to a 996.1 GT3

Great as the 993's were (and I LOVE the 993) the GT3 has that 'event' when driving.

Try a 996 and 997, the 997 maybe to civilised for you..

Listen to what this man says ^ for he speaketh the truth :wink:

As an ex owner of numerous 996 GT3's, a couple of 997 GT3's and a 993 RS, I'd suggest a 997 GT3 solely for road use, will be a step too far.
For sure, on the odd occasion such as an Applecross thrash or a road to Mallaig thrash, the newer car will annihilate a 993, but ask yourself, just how often do you get to use and experience that massive superiority ?

A Mk1 996 GT3, and I'd chose the Mk 1 specifically for a reason, would make a lovely and sensible upgrade from a 993 (I did the same, albeit I went from a 993 RS to the Mk1 GT3).

The 996 interior retains some of the old school, air cooled charm that's sadly lacking in the 997, the 996 interior is more cocoon like, and thus a more intimate place to be when compared to that of the newer car.

Just as importantly the Mk1 GT3 has softer spring and damper rates than the Mk2, it's thus more usable and better suited to our poorly surfaced roads IMO, but it's also nicer to drive than the Mk2 due to that increased compliance.

The Mk2 has the better engine, more powerful and more free revving than the Mk1's at the top end, but after the 993, you'll find the engine in the Mk1 more than quick enough and it's incredibly characterful, and whilst it's different in character to the aircooled engines, it's crude Variocam system makes its power delivery special, as does it's lumpy tickover when hot.

IF you feel need for parity with a Mk2 from a power perspective, fit a decent exhaust system and manifolds (M&M or Cargraphic, though I'd go for the former) and take it to Wayne Schofield at Chip Wizards, he'll free up another 40-45hp and give you an engine that's every bit as quick as the Mk2, but with a soundtrack and character to die for.

Go and test drive as many cars as you can, and once you've found the best Mk1 you can, get it inspected by one of the GT watercooled specialists such as Fearnsport. As with any secondhand car, there are some dogs out there, and some owners can be less than transparent about their cars shorcomings when it comes to selling them.

Buy a good one with suspension, brakes, tyres, clutch and gearbox in fine fettle/correctly adjusted and you'll have something very special to drive and cherish for many years to come.

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Go on, you know you want to ...

This^ FFS.... now I'm looking at 996 GT3's !
Fanatastic post and thanks so much guys..
I'm no fan of 'top end" speeds - it's the turn in, balance and accelerating out that I love.

Good call on Wayne too, that's an option. LW flywheel and a remap of the 993 would be a (relatively) cheap upgrade (I've done most of the common 993 mods - RS shift/goldenrod/RS steering wheel/alignment is spot on too)

Find a GT3 and try it, not sure how easy this will be short term (gritters out today for snow tonight) and perhaps develop my own car a bit...
👍
 
tyinsky said:
hudat said:
So I've had my C2 for 8yrs and I love it to death.
It's got PSS10's, every bush done, lower arms replaced etc etc....sweet as a nut. Last year though on my last weekend cross country to Applecross, my buddy absolutely left me for dead. To be fair he's in super car territory with his car but even then, we're on public roads so it's all within reason but I was miles behind at one point and I was really trying...

My car is (has been 🙄) perfect for this and it's all I love about it - proper A/B road car. It's just that the game has moved on sooooo much I'm feeling a bit slow.

I've driven a few GT3's and I love them, all the feel with a decent kick in the arse. So ultimately considering selling mine and finding the balance of funds or do I continue to refine my car for me, investing in some more mods, lightening etc...

I'm in 1st world crisis... 😂


As others are saying, be careful. I regretted selling my 964 and ended up back in an air cooled car. I like the GT3 a lot and almost went that way (997.1) instead of the 993 but ultimately charm and beauty won over speed and lower running costs.

Up on those fabulous roads in Scotland, sun shining, sunroof cracked open a little (probably with the heater on!) listening to the engine the 993 seems perfect to me. Wouldn't really bother me if someone in a McLaren was covering ground quicker. To be honest I doubt a 996 GT3 would be covering ground that much quicker on those roads than me?

I hear you...... I know these roads (A939/A93/A924) as well as anyone and a well driven Diesel never mind a GT3 would be all over a 993 but just without the class perhaps.!! 😎
 
I have a 993 C2 totally unmodified and a 997.1 GT3 comfort.

I find the GT3 to be much harder to live with and more expensive to maintain. In the end though there are going to be pros and cons.

One thing I would say is if you want a fast road car the GT3 has a very peaky power band and lacks mid range grunt that you often would want on the road.
 
Thanks Windy101,
I hear that. My C2 is a high days and holidays car and bar the very occasional hack into the office on a sunny half day is just for driving... no need for 'too much" comfort if that makes sense.

On the tuning front, anyone have tips for getting hold of Wayne Schofield? I've left messages and a few texts... just persevere maybe????

I'm hanging up the GT3 want while I make sure I've made the best (for me anyway) of my 993 while maintaining the return to stock option.
 
hudat said:
On the tuning front, anyone have tips for getting hold of Wayne Schofield? I've left messages and a few texts...

I think Phil has Monopolised his time right now :grin:

:thumb:
 
hudat said:
Thanks Windy101
On the tuning front, anyone have tips for getting hold of Wayne Schofield? I've left messages and a few texts... just persevere maybe????
.
Is there anyone else who can work their magic with tuning a 993?
 
hopeydaze said:
hudat said:
Thanks Windy101
On the tuning front, anyone have tips for getting hold of Wayne Schofield? I've left messages and a few texts... just persevere maybe????
.
Is there anyone else who can work their magic with tuning a 993?

I messaged him via FB and he came back pretty quickly. He's probably busy. But don't let that put you off.
 
So a date has been booked with Wayne - woohoo!!!

In preparation, I decided to replace the leads, distributor caps and rotors (major service this month anyway, doing these myself saved a few pennies) I'm surprised at the condition of the leads, distributor caps and rotors I removed - I've never had any issues, maybe it was just in time.
 

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