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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:25 pm    Post subject: Headlights (again) Reply with quote

Main beam this time.

I've fitted Tore B's HID dipped beam units which passed an MOT OK and are superb. The only problem is the main beam is pathetic by comparison. I really fancy a LED main beam. I realise this will probably not be OK for an MOT, but they'll just have to get changed for the day. What I would like to know though is which LED bulbs. I know some on this forum have fitted them and are pleased with them, but which manufacturer, degrees K, model reference would be helpful, especially if you are running with the HID dipped beam conversion and know that it all fits. Thanks in advance.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are 2 good options:-
1. Swap original projecors for Morimoto https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/993/391490-i-did-bi-xenon-projector-retrofit-993-here-s-what-took.html
Make sure you order the rhd kit!
2. Fit Led highbeams, these are the ones I have:-
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/972122-led-high-beam-mod.html

If you fit the Morimotos use Tores Hids with them not the ones they supply.

Both ways require some internal modification and it's a bit more diifult to get the morimotos in because of the levelling mechanism which they do not have in the USA. You just rotate them slightly to get the frame in and then lock them back. A bit tight but it all fits in the pod.
There is a led highbeam which uses copper braids as a heat sink easier to fit but output not as good.
Bit overkill but I did both, benefit of led highbeam is instant flash.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply. The Cyclops units look a bit more involved than some I have seen advertised with an extra "box of tricks" as part of the unit and some adaptions required. I was thinking of something a bit more plug and play.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ones with the braided heatsinks are the easiest to fit and give a reasonable light output but they tend to scatter the light more than the cyclops. All the decent output leds require some sort of heatsink or fan and there's not much room in there.
The Morimoto conversion is not too difficult and is reversible. the beam pattern is quite different to the std. projector with a shrap z-line cut off. You get the benefit of HID highbeam+dip + whatever you have in the main (e.g. Osram nightbreakers). Still retaining instant flash with the main.
Pricey though.
Do not use hids in the main they don't work well in the reflector bowl.
Tbh Toe's kit is ideal for normal driving but if you live out in the countryside a powerful main is very handy.
With the Cycops main beam it gives glaring reflections back from motorway signs but great for night rallies.
A shot of the led main with braided heat sink.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an unopened set of Tore hids for 993 if anyone’s interested
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endoman wrote:
There are 2 good options:-
1. Swap original projecors for Morimoto https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/993/391490-i-did-bi-xenon-projector-retrofit-993-here-s-what-took.html
Make sure you order the rhd kit!
2. Fit Led highbeams, these are the ones I have:-
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/972122-led-high-beam-mod.html

If you fit the Morimotos use Tores Hids with them not the ones they supply.

Both ways require some internal modification and it's a bit more diifult to get the morimotos in because of the levelling mechanism which they do not have in the USA. You just rotate them slightly to get the frame in and then lock them back. A bit tight but it all fits in the pod.
There is a led highbeam which uses copper braids as a heat sink easier to fit but output not as good.
Bit overkill but I did both, benefit of led highbeam is instant flash.


Looks a very impressive setup. I checked Morimotos website and there seem to be lots of options for the 993 kit, any that need selecting?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.theretrofitsource.com/morimoto-retroquik-porsche-993.html?preselect=50326%2C51448

Select RHD (very important) and the splitters, these are just wiring to flip the shutter up when on main beam or flash.
I would not recommend their own HiDs, ballast, relays etc. Just use Tore B's HiDs and all will fit in the headlight pod. Early 993s have a different lid on the pod and do not have the lugs to take the Hid ballast but it's not a major problem as you can buy the lids seperately or use double sided tape ( 3M)

They also provide a more secure bulb holder (Motoholder) but I couldn't find it perhaps they now come as standard. You will not need anything other than a decent main bulb as the Morimoto main function is totally adequate and fitting an led main is a bit fiddly and overkill imho (Although I did)
It's not cheap but the results are brilliant.
There is a UK supplier of morimotos https://emtuning.co.uk/product/bi-xenon-morimoto-mini-h1-7-0/ but you'd have to make your own adapters and wiring kit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great info thanks. So to confirm, just need as per my picture plus Tores Tlight kit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep I'd recommend the Motoholder it stabilises the bulb better EM tuning have them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My word, Its a convoluted story on lighting isn't it Smile

https://emtuning.co.uk/product/morimoto-motoho1ders/

I think I'm going to try the the Tore hit kit first and then see if I feel like I need more.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These people have been developing a 993 bi led system for the 993:-
http://flat6illumination.com/
It will be expensive.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Endoman wrote:
These people have been developing a 993 bi led system for the 993:-
http://flat6illumination.com/
It will be expensive.


Interesting, I though i had heard rumors of www.9elevenheadlights.cpm in the US that were doing the 993, maybe both are. Will be interesting to see what they come up with as I think the 993 lights are on point for the age of the car.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone tried the Phillips Ultinon LED units for their main beam.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I have seen does the Ultinon bulbs come in H4, H7, H8, H11 og H16 variants only, and not H1. I find 6200K way too blue for my taste, and tests show that the light output is not much higher than normal incandescent bulbs.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tore, have emailed you.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyobro wrote:
My word, Its a convoluted story on lighting isn't it Smile

https://emtuning.co.uk/product/morimoto-motoho1ders/

I think I'm going to try the the Tore hit kit first and then see if I feel like I need more.


I've got the Tore kit with better main beam bulbs. Will have a look and see what they are at the weekend as it's a super effective combo on the very dark roads of the highlands
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickjonesn4 wrote:
andyobro wrote:
My word, Its a convoluted story on lighting isn't it Smile

https://emtuning.co.uk/product/morimoto-motoho1ders/

I think I'm going to try the the Tore hit kit first and then see if I feel like I need more.


I've got the Tore kit with better main beam bulbs. Will have a look and see what they are at the weekend as it's a super effective combo on the very dark roads of the highlands


Cool. Interested to read what you're using for main beam as I have the ToreB kit to fit and would like to do the mains while in there. Thumb

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