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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Mark Heron of The Modern Classic Car Co Reply with quote

HeronHunter wrote:
Hopefully, some of you folks will be pleased to read the following post...This is an update to the thread regarding a Mark Heron (or whatever other alias he happens to be using) of The Modern Classic Car Co of Carbeth House, Killearn, Glasgow, G63 9QB.

Mark Heron recently formed another limited company by the name of "Modern Classic Car Solutions Ltd (Company number: SC580272) of which Mark Heron is shown as the only Director, appointed on the 31st October 2017. His month and year of birth are shown as December 1976. The address given as the registered office is: Strathclyde Suite, Carbeth House, Killearn, Glasgow, G63 9QB.

Mr Heron is currently under investigation by various agencies in regards to his business practices, including violation of Trading Standards, misleading advertising practices, and malpractice in regards to Consumer Rights. We will keep this forum updated as matter progress.

The first of hopefully many law suits has already started, but in the meantime, we recommend that all the information published in this forum in regards to Mark Heron is read extremely carefully and taken into account, before any potential buyer makes a decision to trade with Mark Heron, Sylvester Heron, The Modern Classic Car Co, or Modern Classic Car Solutions Ltd, or his ebay trading title/username "modernclassiccarco"

We are also aware that more than two disgruntled buyers are arranging third party viewings on some of Mark Heron's stock, so hopefully they may have further information to add, once their contacts have viewed the vehicles, on the pretext of speaking directly to Mr Heron to discuss his misdemeanors. Of course, Mr Heron will not know who these mystery shoppers are, so he may have to look over his shoulder! More to follow in due course.




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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Mark Heron of The Modern Classic Car Co Reply with quote

This posted on Rennlist in 2017
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-turbo-930-forum/1000536-fake-930-for-sale-alert.html

oliver bloom wrote:
Fake 930 for sale alert
Hi all. For the UK based among ourselves please be advised of a fake posing as a 930:
https://www.themodernclassiccarco.com/sales/930guards/930guards.html
The ad has been changed since i last contacted the dealer to enquire. He had the chassis and engine numbers as part of the ad at the time (moron or provocative, ur choice).
For starters, notice the complete lack of VIN & options stickers. When I asked Stephen Boag, the dealer in question, he said the door pillar VIN sticker perished during his refurbishment (the word is used liberally here) and the bonnet sticker was never there as in his extensive experience w air-cooled Porsches, late 70s to early 80s did not always have the telltale sticker He even asked another Scottish dealer specialising in used air-cooled 911s who confirmed that the stickers were hit and miss -maybe in Scotland alone?

Now, the VIN and Motor ID Stephen Boag let slip were:
Chassis : 9119303197 Engine no 6394816.
It doesn't need a sleuth to realise these are SC codes (no Stephen the 930 in the chassis is not for Porsche 930 ). If anyone has a different view I will humbly stand corrected but this stinks.

Finally notice the complete absence of the a/c compressor (can be removed) but also cabin controls etc (less likely to totally delete the a/c to this extent). Stephen obliged by saying you don't need a/c in the UK anyway

I almost got stung and luckily escaped. Handle w care.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Update. Reply with quote

Hi everyone. Having been aware of this individual for a while now I thought I would let you know he is now trading under a new name. Please don't get stung.

Specialist Cars Scotland
The Shed Old Mugdock Rd Strathblane Glasgow
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Update. Reply with quote

JapsI wrote:
Hi everyone. Having been aware of this individual for a while now I thought I would let you know he is now trading under a new name. Please don't get stung.

Specialist Cars Scotland
The Shed Old Mugdock Rd Strathblane Glasgow
G63 9DD



Address 'the shed' accoding to google maps = https://tinyurl.com/y8wp2k22

Another scam address by Mark Heron and Stephen Boeg

Note, advert used under the name of Specialist Cars Scotland
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1056989

verses what is listed on
https://www.themodernclassiccarco.com/sales/924turbowhite/salespage.html
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few decent sized properties in the vicinity of that postcode on that road with similar coloured stones on the drive. Looks like he doesn't live far from the postcode but its clearly a bogus address.

I suspect he would ring you if you got near and guided you to where he is based once you got to that postcode Question
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not trust these two. I repeat do not trust them.

The photos are taken at:-
Carbeth House
Killearn

This rather imposing mansion has been converted into apartments. One of the brothers, Mark Heron, appears to live there. The other (presumably half) brother, is Stephen Boag.

They are not linked in any way to Border Reivers.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911watch wrote:
Do not trust these two. I repeat do not trust them.

The photos are taken at:-
Carbeth House
Killearn

This rather imposing mansion has been converted into apartments. One of the brothers, Mark Heron, appears to live there. The other (presumably half) brother, is Stephen Boag.

They are not linked in any way to Border Reivers.



I am interester to see a newbie's first post being one like this.
Wondering what history you have and have you been burned?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Tobyone I have had dealings with these clowns. I'd rather not give detail.
IMHO there are a pair of shameless crooks. Other members of family probably involved. Sylvester seems to run the ebay account.

They play off each other so you never know which of Mark or Stephen you are dealing with. They bullshine and bamboozle victims into submission.

Initially they politely engage with concerns - then the aggressive and arrogant denials, and then silent treatment.

Stay away people!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911watch wrote:
Yes Tobyone I have had dealings with these clowns. I'd rather not give detail.
IMHO there are a pair of shameless crooks. Other members of family probably involved. Sylvester seems to run the ebay account.

They play off each other so you never know which of Mark or Stephen you are dealing with. They bullshine and bamboozle victims into submission.

Initially they politely engage with concerns - then the aggressive and arrogant denials, and then silent treatment.

Stay away people!



It is amazing they still get away with it.
Sorry you had a bad experience fella
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911watch wrote:
Sylvester seems to run the ebay account


Who are they on eBay Dont know

At least we can avoid them Cop

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
911watch wrote:
Sylvester seems to run the ebay account


Who are they on eBay Dont know

At least we can avoid them Cop

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more of a mystery how mr ebay does not know of them Bandit

so then the Modern Classic Car Company

so their picture are clever the cars are not, dont be fooled by them, as they aren't traders, since it has been proved in a court case that they have false trade paperwork

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Cars-Motorcycles-Vehicles/9800/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=modernclassiccarco&_sac=1

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Performance & Historic
Sylvester Heron
Carbeth House
killearn
Killearn
Glasgow (City of)
G63 9QB
United Kingdom
Phone:07713862081
Email:performanceandhistoric@gmail.com

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: The Modern and Classic Car Co Reply with quote

Site Admin Update
<'POSITIVE' Review Removed - Determined to be a FAKE>
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: The Modern and Classic Car Co Reply with quote

Saab9000 wrote:
Site Admin Update
<'POSITIVE' Review Removed - Determined to be a FAKE>

Good luck to you Saab9000. It probably makes no difference to Boag or Heron whether they are selling a dud or a goodun. Some of them will be randomly good. They just want your money and no doubt they will offer all the assistance they can to get you to part with it. The issue is when it's a dud or there is something else wrong with the deal. Their true nature is then on view and frankly they could not care less it seems.
A look though Boag's entries with companies house makes interesting reading. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/search?q=Stephen+Boag
His fb shows what he looks like and that he studied law; whether he achieved a BA is less clear.
https://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Boag/100013592623568
Mark Heron was maybe bored of ripping people off in January and he kindly posted a picture of Carbeth House where he lives.
https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/200342846-carbeth-house-forth-and-endrick-ward/photos/220279#.XHqm-1P7TOQ
His various companies make interesting reading.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/search?q=mark+heron
The impression here is that these companies are set up to limit their personal liabilities. This is of course quite legal but doesn't mean that in their case it doesn't stink.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="911UK"]

so then the Modern Classic Car Company

so their picture are clever the cars are not, dont be fooled by them, as they aren't traders, since it has been proved in a court case that they have false trade paperwork

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Cars-Motorcycles-Vehicles/9800/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=&_ssn=modernclassiccarco&_sac=1

Quote:
Business seller information
Performance & Historic
Sylvester Heron
Carbeth House
killearn
Killearn
Glasgow (City of)
G63 9QB
United Kingdom
Phone:07713862081
Email:performanceandhistoric@gmail.com


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strathclydesuite -- 09-Feb-19 -- Present
modernclassiccarco -- 17-Jun-16 -- 09-Feb-19
performance-classic-historic -- 19-Jan-14 -- 17-Jun-16
strathclydesuite -- 28-Aug-12 -- 19-Jan-14
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saab9000 looks like you dodged the bullet a bought a rogue 'good' car from these guys. Glad it's worked out for you, for me I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole, neither would any of my local Porsche friends
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaps, I was doing my background research on The Modern Classic Car Co after seeing a car with them and came upon this thread. I liked the look of the car so much that I contacted Stephen anyway and had several chats with him about it.

I can't comment on the bad experiences that others have had but I've bought a 968 from Border Reivers many years ago and I've bought a 924 Turbo from Stephen recently too. He also sold the 924 Turbo for me. I tend to buy a good few cars a year (call me silly) and have a few 911's, 944/968's as well as M cars. I'm from 'daan saaf' (Londoner).

My experience was very pleasant and speaking to Stephen on the phone several times has been good fun as we've spoken about cars we like etc.

I think the main thing to learn from this is don't buy a car until you see it. If you buy it blind then what can you expect? I've done it before and there have always been items I've missed.

I am not saying rush out now and buy cars from him but I'm relaying my experience as others have. I've dealt with many of the Porsche specialists in England and I had nothing more and nothing less from Stephen. His knowledge is rather good and I made sure that we had all agreements in emails and he stayed true to them.

Oh and the 968 from Border Reivers was good too! Had no problems with the car or with the sales process.

Maybe as you say @grbspeedster, I was also lucky but I think Stephen is a good guy. He allowed for a few items that weren't quite as they should have been too.

If I was anyone else I would view any car they have that might be of interest and just go through the buying process as one should. Independent inspection, proper check on the paperwork, everything agreed in writing. Its hard to buy a lemon from anyone if those items are done right?

Just my two pennies worth.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amir and saab9000 glad your both happy with your purchases. Must apologise for the forum for not welcoming you as newbies. I'm sure you will get a warm welcome when you attend events with your new purchases in the future. Lots going on in London area , Ace cafe etc , make yourself known I'm sure you will get a warm welcome
For me still wouldn't touch Modern Classics with a barge pole, all have own opinions Welcome
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pearlmica, can you provide a link to the car bought

in the same way we validate bad feedback we also need to ensure these new users posts are valid and not a fake profile courtesy of Stephen Boeg

since "Saab9000" post or alleged purchase couldn't be validated and will shortly be removed as a fake
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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pearlmica, can you provide a link to the car bought

in the same way we validate bad feedback we also need to ensure these new users posts are valid and not a fake profile courtesy of Stephen Boeg

since "Saab9000" post or alleged purchase couldn't be validated and will shortly be removed as a fake


Sure, here she is:

https://www.themodernclassiccarco.com/sales/924turbowhite/salespage.html
 
  
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