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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you need to go faster



Just like living in a 9 bedroomed house, wearing a £5k watch or drinking £1k bottles of fizz the word 'need' is not relevant.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not about going faster; it's the way the power is delivered, the throttle response and the linear acceleration.
Losing a licence is literally a matter of seconds in any turbo stock or remapped.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what happened the OP? Sure you can remap it, but it would best to add the supporting mods to keep the map safe and reliable. That presumably would have been the question to ask.

I was also going to say, in relation to the rest of the thread, it's not about the speed, it's about the drive (at least it is for me). And yes, the money would be better spent on driver tuition, but the whole idea of a mapped Turbo is to run a ridiculously overpowered car, isn't it?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the whole idea of a mapped Turbo is to run a ridiculously overpowered car, isn't it?


This exactly! If you want to go fast around a track buy a light weight car and get tuition. If you want a fast B road car from the porsche family buy a C2 or better yet a cayman / boxster. BUT if you want a car that accelerates stupidly fast, whilst being useable buy a turbo and modify it. A 911 turbo is not a track car to start with...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can never have enough power Simples.

I love the feel of being on the edge when pushing a little. Makes me feel alive and a sense of occasion as I walk toward it and plonk my big arse in the tight bucket seat. Look around. Put the key in. Feel the steering wheel. Notch it out of gear. Turn the ignition. See the lights flicker on the fuel pressure gauge. And the meth read out. Start it up. A little lumpy as it warms up. Get out check tyre on pressures. Get back in. Put the 6 on point harness on. Mirrors manoeuvre. Warm enough. Check road conditions. Spin the wheels a little. And then ENJOY. All is a safe and respectful of other road users of course and never above 70. Did I mention I really like my car

Supporting mods or more over improvements on all round capability is a must. Without them u may die !
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:
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the whole idea of a mapped Turbo is to run a ridiculously overpowered car, isn't it?


This exactly! If you want to go fast around a track buy a light weight car and get tuition. If you want a fast B road car from the porsche family buy a C2 or better yet a cayman / boxster. BUT if you want a car that accelerates stupidly fast, whilst being useable buy a turbo and modify it. A 911 turbo is not a track car to start with...

Why is a Turbo any less a track car than any other 911? Why does any 911 have to be any one thing. I thought the beauty of the 911 range was that the could GT cruise across the continent, sprint cross country in the twistes, rip around a track for the day or nip to the shops for a bottle of milk. Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is a Turbo any less a track car than any other 911? Why does any 911 have to be any one thing. I thought the beauty of the 911 range was that the could GT cruise across the continent, sprint cross country in the twistes, rip around a track for the day or nip to the shops for a bottle of milk.



The issue with a standard Turbo on track is that it can go very quickly between corners but hasn't got the brakes to haul the weight of it down very efficiently for corners.

If you treat a track like a fast, flat A road it's ok but it's way too tempting to go quicker than that and it's then that the limitations show themselves.

3/4 is not bad though especially when it does the other three so well. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
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Why is a Turbo any less a track car than any other 911? Why does any 911 have to be any one thing. I thought the beauty of the 911 range was that the could GT cruise across the continent, sprint cross country in the twistes, rip around a track for the day or nip to the shops for a bottle of milk.



The issue with a standard Turbo on track is that it can go very quickly between corners but hasn't got the brakes to haul the weight of it down very efficiently for corners.

If you treat a track like a fast, flat A road it's ok but it's way too tempting to go quicker than that and it's then that the limitations show themselves.

3/4 is not bad though especially when it does the other three so well. Very Happy

I'll take your word for it as a seasoned Turbo owner Thumb Out of curiosity, what is the fix to be able to use it 10/10ths on track
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll take your word for it as a seasoned Turbo owner Thumb Out of curiosity, what is the fix to be able to use it 10/10ths on track.



I don't think you'd ever make a turbo a 10/10ths track car, that's why Porsche made the GT3.

A good, experienced track driver (i.e very definitely not me) would make the best of it as they'd be far smoother but even they'd get frustrated by having to restrain themselves. Obviously upgrading the brakes would help (PCCB cars are a lot better) but even then the problem of weight remains.

Don't get me wrong, many turbo owners have a lot of fun on track but I've never met one that didn't report the brakes going off after a very few laps.

Also, the track does make a difference. A fast track with few slow corners eg. Silverstone or 'The Ring' wouldn't be so much of a problem as Brands Indy.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is a Turbo any less a track car than any other 911?


Right you are, in the proper hands they do just fine.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is a Turbo any less a track car than any other 911?


Right you are, in the proper hands they do just fine.



On the contrary I think that video proves my point. Look how early the Turbo was having to brake for the corners compared to the GT3 and how much the GT3 gained after being left on the straights.

The Turbo was being driven very well but imo the GT3 was being held up.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said they do just fine, which it did Smile
That GT3 was hardly all over the back of It.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to try a Turbo and a GT3 (from the same generation) back to back. While there is no doubt that a Turbo is quick down the straights, I wonder if an upgrade to the tyres and brakes wouldn't help.

In my (limited) experience on the track with a (mapped) Turbo, the driver couldn't help but launch it down the straight, and he then had to haul it back down for the first corner, where I could catch him up again.

We then found, on return to the pits, that the Turbo's rear tyres were gettiung very hot and overinflated, which made it pretty loose (the driver came in early). I found the opposite: my rears were reasonably cool, but my fronts were getting hot.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good thread, as i have been thinking about the remap potential recently too, with little feedback on the forum, it seems Porsche owners think it is a little taboo.

My father and i had his 997 gen1 tuned at DMS with manifolds, full 200 cat back exhaust and it didn't miss a beat and was very fast indeed. After a few years he traded it in with the main porsche dealer for a 991 turbo s which is a great set up car std. The dealer only commented that the exhaust seemed quite loud.

I am not sure why DMS has a bad reputation on 911uk either?

He does a lot of Porsches and completed a 997.2 turbo 624bhp yesterday;
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvAH5DCAiX9/

Since purchasing my 997.2 turbo i have been thinking with the idea again. 9E certainly does have a good reputation on here swell.

I have done a little remap research;

Remap only is between 580-600bhp and similar torque.

DMS flash software £1,900 +vat cheaper for repeat customers
9E flash software £2,295 + vat and can use genius device like cob (not sure how much)
ES motors COB hard ware box £1500 + remap £1500+vat

Add Kline or a larger 3" (ES) exhaust with 200cell/decat circa £3-£4k and probably get another 15-20bhp making 600-620bhp

If i decide to remap i will probably install a Kline 200 cell cat back prior to the remap. If you have ever tuned a car, you probably will always look into doing again as its slightly additive puh Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Addo wrote:
Good thread, as i have been thinking about the remap potential recently too, with little feedback on the forum, it seems Porsche owners think it is a little taboo.

My father and i had his 997 gen1 tuned at DMS with manifolds, full 200 cat back exhaust and it didn't miss a beat and was very fast indeed. After a few years he traded it in with the main porsche dealer for a 991 turbo s which is a great set up car std. The dealer only commented that the exhaust seemed quite loud.

I am not sure why DMS has a bad reputation on 911uk either?

He does a lot of Porsches and completed a 997.2 turbo 624bhp yesterday;
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvAH5DCAiX9/

Since purchasing my 997.2 turbo i have been thinking with the idea again. 9E certainly does have a good reputation on here swell.

I have done a little remap research;

Remap only is between 580-600bhp and similar torque.

DMS flash software £1,900 +vat cheaper for repeat customers
9E flash software £2,295 + vat and can use genius device like cob (not sure how much)
ES motors COB hard ware box £1500 + remap £1500+vat

Add Kline or a larger 3" (ES) exhaust with 200cell/decat circa £3-£4k and probably get another 15-20bhp making 600-620bhp

If i decide to remap i will probably install a Kline 200 cell cat back prior to the remap. If you have ever tuned a car, you probably will always look into doing again as its slightly additive puh Grin


Alright mate Thumb

I too have the 997.2 turbo and I paid a visit to 9e.

I went full Kline system (stainless, de-cat) including equal length manifold headers. I keep the 200 cel cats on a shelf ready to slot in just in case. It's been 3 years so far and I've not had to bother. Phew- as it would be a pain in the ass...

The only other main hardware component is the IPD intake plenum and new re gapped spark plugs. All brought together with a 9e tune.

According to the test data, it's pushing out just north of 600hp. I don't know the exact figures but what I do know is, it's bonkers fast!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Alright mate Thumb

I too have the 997.2 turbo and I paid a visit to 9e.

I went full Kline system (stainless, de-cat) including equal length manifold headers. I keep the 200 cel cats on a shelf ready to slot in just in case. It's been 3 years so far and I've not had to bother. Phew- as it would be a pain in the ass...

The only other main hardware component is the IPD intake plenum and new re gapped spark plugs. All brought together with a 9e tune.

According to the test data, it's pushing out just north of 600hp. I don't know the exact figures but what I do know is, it's bonkers fast!


Hi there,

You have a great spec’d and no doubt rapid 997.2 turbo! Do you have any performance times now compared to standard like 0-100/ 1/4 mile etc. I think this would be the route I would go down. What difference does the intake plenum make in numbers I wonder, did you get the Y pipe as well? Out of interest do you have Cob storage device for the standard map? or as it is out of warranty I presume no need to swap maps for the dealer at services. I like the idea of bonkers fast too!

STD it is fantastic but a bit too muted, they have solved the issue with the 991.1 and 991.2 in my opinion. But I do love the 997.2 overall and an exhaust and remap would probably complete the car for me.

Looking into the 9e packages, it appears because the tune is safe, a lot of customers will purchase already tuned as 9e sells them tuned. Something to thing about rather than stripping the car back to std possibly if you ever wanted to sell.

Thanks for the info. Thumb
 
  
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Addo wrote:
Norfolk & Idea wrote:

Alright mate Thumb

I too have the 997.2 turbo and I paid a visit to 9e.

I went full Kline system (stainless, de-cat) including equal length manifold headers. I keep the 200 cel cats on a shelf ready to slot in just in case. It's been 3 years so far and I've not had to bother. Phew- as it would be a pain in the ass...

The only other main hardware component is the IPD intake plenum and new re gapped spark plugs. All brought together with a 9e tune.

According to the test data, it's pushing out just north of 600hp. I don't know the exact figures but what I do know is, it's bonkers fast!


Hi there,

You have a great spec’d and no doubt rapid 997.2 turbo! Do you have any performance times now compared to standard like 0-100/ 1/4 mile etc. I think this would be the route I would go down. What difference does the intake plenum make in numbers I wonder, did you get the Y pipe as well? Out of interest do you have Cob storage device for the standard map? or as it is out of warranty I presume no need to swap maps for the dealer at services. I like the idea of bonkers fast too!

STD it is fantastic but a bit too muted, they have solved the issue with the 991.1 and 991.2 in my opinion. But I do love the 997.2 overall and an exhaust and remap would probably complete the car for me.

Looking into the 9e packages, it appears because the tune is safe, a lot of customers will purchase already tuned as 9e sells them tuned. Something to thing about rather than stripping the car back to std possibly if you ever wanted to sell.

Thanks for the info. Thumb


Here's the results in a Vmax I attended last year. I'm number 550. I went purely out of curiosity to see how my car performed with all the big boys. I was pleasantly surprised how well I did. There were some serious punters there, laptops out and hooked up to change maps between runs... and out with the MS109 race fuel. But not little old me. Shell Vmax. And that was it.

The decat Kline gives a glorious howl on boost but is remarkably quiet on a neutral throttle. Perfect for towns and motorways. As said, I'm 3 years into ownership now and it hasn't missed a beat. And I don't need anymore poke!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Addo wrote:


Good thread, as I have been thinking about the remap potential recently too, with little feedback on the forum, it seems Porsche owners think it is a little taboo.



I don't know about the taboo, but there are two camps, those who mod and those who keep it standard. I'd have modified a Turbo, if I bought one. All my other cars are or have been modified ... and if it's 'only' a set of new headers and a map, then it's not that difficult to do (that 550 car seems to rock!), if that's what floats your boat.

I always thought though that in order to safely modifiy a turbo'd car, you should add a new/better intake (more/better air going in), more cooling (bigger intercoolers) as well as all sorts of other stuff (blow off valves, injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler etc.).
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MaxA wrote:
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Good thread, as I have been thinking about the remap potential recently too, with little feedback on the forum, it seems Porsche owners think it is a little taboo.



I don't know about the taboo, but there are two camps, those who mod and those who keep it standard. I'd have modified a Turbo, if I bought one. All my other cars are or have been modified ... and if it's 'only' a set of new headers and a map, then it's not that difficult to do (that 550 car seems to rock!), if that's what floats your boat.

I always thought though that in order to safely modifiy a turbo'd car, you should add a new/better intake (more/better air going in), more cooling (bigger intercoolers) as well as all sorts of other stuff (blow off valves, injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler etc.).


You're right. It's all about ramming more cool air in there.

But the 997.2 turbo comes quite well aligned with OE. It's got the GT2RS intercoolers already fitted (I think the do88's are all the rage now) and the Y-pipe, throttle valve are good too. You just need the bigger IPD plenum in this area.

Going north of 650hp you'll need deeper pockets. Hybrid turbo's and uprated transmission come into play here thumbsup
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mikeluke wrote:
997.2 Turbo S not fast enough.....

Mmm - wondering where you live than you can actually drive anything quicker than that


Grin did wonder the same!
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