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Gen 2 Carrera PDK to Gen 2 Turbo PDK - any advice?
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Counter Of Beans
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Rojdog said:
Certainly true that you can get a 991.2 base Carrera for mid-seventies, but I would worry about the depreciation on those models, whereas I suspect that a £70k 997.2 Turbo would hold its value better.
Plus, and this is possibly irrational, there's something appealing about owning the "top" model (GT cars excepted of course).
Great contributions so far gentlemen, keep them coming.
I've owned my 997.1 Turbo (manual) for 10 (yes 10) years in a few months time. I've driven quite a few 997.1/.2 Carrera's over the years and everything is night and day. The Turbo will amble along in 6th gear at 30mph (not that I would do that!) and then pull to a (rev-limited) 205 on the speedo. Suspension compliance, especially with the DSC Sport module is also more controlled, and the brakes (mine has PCCBs) is also a step up.
THe NA engine sound is more pleasant over a .1T car, but the .2T car does sound a little better standard.
The delivery is of course different, you need to wring the neck of the Carrera whereas the Turbo will despatch it in 6th gear at pretty much any speed. It can be quite worrying when you get the moment to look at your speed and see where you're at, be very aware of that.
Similar to what Terry said, 'it's nice to know you have the power but not need it, rather than not having the power but needing it'!
And then of course you have the wide body and better residuals, what's not to like!
THe NA engine sound is more pleasant over a .1T car, but the .2T car does sound a little better standard.
The delivery is of course different, you need to wring the neck of the Carrera whereas the Turbo will despatch it in 6th gear at pretty much any speed. It can be quite worrying when you get the moment to look at your speed and see where you're at, be very aware of that.
Similar to what Terry said, 'it's nice to know you have the power but not need it, rather than not having the power but needing it'!
And then of course you have the wide body and better residuals, what's not to like!
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T8 said:If you are measuring 'top model' by retail price when they are new it's only the RS models that top the Turbo.
I didn't realise that, cheers. Seems I have much to learn. Although I got the impression that (in recent years) GT cars changed hands at well above list price due to small allocations.
Someone earlier referred to non-Turbos as "lesser" models, and I think there is something in that, which adds to the appeal - of owning a Turbo I mean - even if it isn't wholly rational.
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As they were the poster car of the 80's & 90's they have that kudos that the other cars in the range don't appear to have. The fact that at one time they were one of the fastest cars in the world and a bit of 'widow maker' all added to the 'turbo' mystique. When I had my Carerra in the early 90's and a friend let me have a shot in his brothers black 911 Turbo in Inverness and it was the scariest thing I think I've ever driven.
Nowadays they are probably one of the easiest to live with Supercars you can own, nothing really comes close to them.
They have a great residual, if you buy the right car in the right colour spec etc.
They are pretty much bullet proof if looked after and the servicing is 2 yearly and about a £1000 should cover a major service.
The PDK box is absolutely brilliant, as others have said in a std Carrera you use the box more, whereas in a turbo you click it down a few gears on the paddles and it's like hitting warp drive, the speed they pick up is staggering. On the Dinslaken trip last year I got split from the group and found myself on an Autobahn so I booted it and in 6 or 7 seconds I was showing 175 mph and it was still pulling like mad, needless to say I bottled it and then missed the Shell station where everyone was waiting!
Buy the right car and you won't go wrong, my only criticism of mine is the brakes are poor and need upgrading.
Nowadays they are probably one of the easiest to live with Supercars you can own, nothing really comes close to them.
They have a great residual, if you buy the right car in the right colour spec etc.
They are pretty much bullet proof if looked after and the servicing is 2 yearly and about a £1000 should cover a major service.
The PDK box is absolutely brilliant, as others have said in a std Carrera you use the box more, whereas in a turbo you click it down a few gears on the paddles and it's like hitting warp drive, the speed they pick up is staggering. On the Dinslaken trip last year I got split from the group and found myself on an Autobahn so I booted it and in 6 or 7 seconds I was showing 175 mph and it was still pulling like mad, needless to say I bottled it and then missed the Shell station where everyone was waiting!
Buy the right car and you won't go wrong, my only criticism of mine is the brakes are poor and need upgrading.
Just sold my Mexico Blue 997.2 C4S with EVOSMIT tune and other goodies and got exactly what you asking 997.2 Turbo PDK.
handling - i think the C4S was better, but i had the Techart springs so not really fair. The test drive in the turbo was what sold me , the torque comes in early but finishes fast ,the 50mph to 100mph pull was finished in seconds , the C4S still was great to drive more linear except a noticable bump in torque from 4000rpm to 7000rpm the power goes on and on and loves to scream. The higher it is reved, the happier the car and the driver. The exhaust note is an exotic burble to a high pitched scream. All this adds to a great driving experience.
In the turbo though, yes it is fast, yes it pulls in the mid range. But what i am missing now is the exhaust note, though it has the Fabspeed cross pipe, the tone is more low frequency, it does not crackle and pop like the C4S.
Maybe i have made the wrong choice, maybe i have not, but the C4S (NA) is still damn fast car which handles so well and more than enough for most people.
Another reason for the turbo was the potential for power gains is huge with the turbo, just a EVOSMIT tune gives 60hp+ easy, whereas the NA cars would take a lot of effort and money. This can wait until I have mastered the stock car which should be plenty for now.
handling - i think the C4S was better, but i had the Techart springs so not really fair. The test drive in the turbo was what sold me , the torque comes in early but finishes fast ,the 50mph to 100mph pull was finished in seconds , the C4S still was great to drive more linear except a noticable bump in torque from 4000rpm to 7000rpm the power goes on and on and loves to scream. The higher it is reved, the happier the car and the driver. The exhaust note is an exotic burble to a high pitched scream. All this adds to a great driving experience.
In the turbo though, yes it is fast, yes it pulls in the mid range. But what i am missing now is the exhaust note, though it has the Fabspeed cross pipe, the tone is more low frequency, it does not crackle and pop like the C4S.
Maybe i have made the wrong choice, maybe i have not, but the C4S (NA) is still damn fast car which handles so well and more than enough for most people.
Another reason for the turbo was the potential for power gains is huge with the turbo, just a EVOSMIT tune gives 60hp+ easy, whereas the NA cars would take a lot of effort and money. This can wait until I have mastered the stock car which should be plenty for now.
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Nice car bricheun, exactly what I'd be looking for if I was to buy - my favourite colour, although I'm a little wary of centre locks (never had them before). Why are so many 997 Turbos Basalt Black?
Anyway, thanks again, exactly the sort of input I was searching for.
Can I ask, did you / have people generally get / got decent p/ex values, or should I sell my car first and then go in as a cash buyer?
Anyway, thanks again, exactly the sort of input I was searching for.
Can I ask, did you / have people generally get / got decent p/ex values, or should I sell my car first and then go in as a cash buyer?
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Counter Of Beans said:
You'd probably be horrified by what you'd be offered as part-ex in the current market. Sadly the private sales market seems pretty flat too.
Your best bet (imo) would be to try 'Sale or Return' through one of the recognised Porsche Specialists and then shop for a replacement.
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