Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:07 am Post subject: Paint Protection Film
Has anyone had PPF on their car ? I’m going to have it done this month just the front areas and rear arches rather than the whole car. I’m interested to hear the pros and cons of this.
K888ETH Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 10 Mar 2017 Posts: 251 Location: Hampshire
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:03 am Post subject:
If it's done well with the latest quality film, there are no real cons to getting PPF, other than the potential cost versus a respray. The better films available are guaranteed for 10 years against yellowing, peeling etc and have self-healing properties, to a degree.
If your paint is intact and original there should be no issues with removing the film and replacing a section should it get beaten up through time, but if a panel has been resprayed there are some horror stories where the lacquer has lifted when the PPF has been removed. It comes down to the quality of the respray. _________________ 997 Turbo
T8 General
Joined: 29 Jun 2010 Posts: 15642 Location: Kent
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:09 am Post subject:
There's a whole sub-forum dedicated to detailing/wrapping/PPF with loads of threads to browse through including this one
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Paint Protection Film
k11pol wrote:
Has anyone had PPF on their car ? I’m going to have it done this month just the front areas and rear arches rather than the whole car. I’m interested to hear the pros and cons of this.
I've done approaching 50,000 miles in my 911, no ceramic or film.
The paint still looks great, front bumper still in good nick... the only area that has visible wear is the bonnet, with three or 4 stone chips (Sapphire blue paint, contrast of the chip visible).
Buying the 992, upon delivery in April, I think i might get it ceramic coated. Contrast of base coat if top coat chipped is likely to be low with a silver car. _________________ Present:
- 992 Carrera S
- Yamaha MT01; CCM Cafe Racer
- VW T2 Bay Window 1976
Past:
- 991.2 Carrera, 640d GC, 635d, RS6, Audi TT 225, Astra with wind up windows, Citroen ZX, Rover 213, yes behold, a Rover 213... Renault 5
ukrr Newbie
Joined: 03 Jan 2015 Posts: 19
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject:
I've been thinking about this for a while and often worry about removal - this was heightened this week when a well known youtuber had a wrap (not ppf) removed from his murcialago and it took big chunks of his clear coat with it :-(
6appeal Hockenheim
Joined: 02 Jan 2016 Posts: 636
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:30 pm Post subject:
Ouch!... yes, i wouldn't go for film or wrap personally... i'm quite old-school in the use of a decent wax.
I am unsure about ceramic coating, but may give it a go. Very reputable car detailer that i have used for years teaches other detailers how to do ceramic, so to say i trust him is an understatement lol... he's ceramic coating my new motorbike end of the month. _________________ Present:
- 992 Carrera S
- Yamaha MT01; CCM Cafe Racer
- VW T2 Bay Window 1976
Past:
- 991.2 Carrera, 640d GC, 635d, RS6, Audi TT 225, Astra with wind up windows, Citroen ZX, Rover 213, yes behold, a Rover 213... Renault 5
GT3GT3 Monza
Joined: 17 Jan 2012 Posts: 249
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:09 am Post subject:
ukrr wrote:
I've been thinking about this for a while and often worry about removal - this was heightened this week when a well known youtuber had a wrap (not ppf) removed from his murcialago and it took big chunks of his clear coat with it :-(
That's because it was wrapped over a shonky respray. Over a factory finish paint job it'll be fine.
911tom Watkins Glen
Joined: 22 May 2012 Posts: 2027 Location: Buckinghamshire
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:15 am Post subject:
6appeal wrote:
I've done approaching 50,000 miles in my 911, no ceramic or film.
The paint still looks great, front bumper still in good nick... the only area that has visible wear is the bonnet, with three or 4 stone chips (Sapphire blue paint, contrast of the chip visible).
Buying the 992, upon delivery in April, I think i might get it ceramic coated. Contrast of base coat if top coat chipped is likely to be low with a silver car.
Not sure how you've managed that! I picked up 3 stone chips driving my car home on collection day! Needless to say the whole car is now PPF'd. As is the front of my 996. I am sold on the idea. _________________ 996 Turbo - Link to my 3.8L turbo build thread
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Slayer Indianapolis
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 2409 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:18 pm Post subject:
Personally I would avoid it as a good chip can go though the film and will not self heal. I had a chip on the rear door while the front was was protected with PPF.(SOD s law). It may be worth if you are a regular track user.
If you are considering a film, consider detailing the car before. SunTek and Xpel seems to be decent ones. _________________ Current: 981 Cayman S with some goodies
Sold:
Golf R 7.5 FL ( Atlantic blue with Akropovic exhausts/ Performance pack)
Golf R FL 7.5, A45 AMG FL, Golf R , Golf GT, VW Golf R (Reflex silver) 2016
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k11pol Monza
Joined: 18 Feb 2010 Posts: 220 Location: Aberdeen
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject:
I spoke to the guy doing the work a fortnight or so ago and he says it will be detailed before the PPF is put on and that it is an Expel kit he will be using so going by the comments I reckon it’s a goer.
A 3 day job from start to finish so sounds like a professional job including the initial detailing.
Slayer Indianapolis
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 2409 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:38 pm Post subject:
k11pol wrote:
I spoke to the guy doing the work a fortnight or so ago and he says it will be detailed before the PPF is put on and that it is an Expel kit he will be using so going by the comments I reckon it’s a goer.
A 3 day job from start to finish so sounds like a professional job including the initial detailing.
Xpel is a thicker film than SunTek. I had mine for a year before selling the car.
It will protect from road rash and minor chips for sure.
Please share your experience afterwards 👍 _________________ Current: 981 Cayman S with some goodies
Sold:
Golf R 7.5 FL ( Atlantic blue with Akropovic exhausts/ Performance pack)
Golf R FL 7.5, A45 AMG FL, Golf R , Golf GT, VW Golf R (Reflex silver) 2016
VW Golf R, Golf Match, VW Scirocco 2TDI R line-BMT , 997 Gen 1 Turbo , 997 C2S(Aerokit), 997 C2S, Cayman S, 997 C4S, 997 Carrera, Boxster
Wow there is some bad info in this thread reference PPF and other ways to protect the car.
1. Wax does not protect against stone chips.
2. A decent stone chip can pierce the film: Yes but it's rare and then you just replace that one piece.
I have PPF on my 911 and it's well worth it. It not only stops damage from stone chips but also from swirling and the car is easier to clean once fitted. Also it makes the car have a deeper shine.
It is so much easier to look after with PPF on the car that makes it worth it in my opinion.
This is a link to a video I made of the process. I have another more detailed version of the PPF installation on my channel.
Open Youtube Page _________________ 911 GT2RS Build & 981 Boxster S
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6appeal Hockenheim
Joined: 02 Jan 2016 Posts: 636
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:25 pm Post subject:
911tom wrote:
Not sure how you've managed that! I picked up 3 stone chips driving my car home on collection day! Needless to say the whole car is now PPF'd. As is the front of my 996. I am sold on the idea.
Blooming eck! That’s seriously unlucky. I looked at prices originally and it wasn’t much different to a bumper respray. The 991.2 paint has been very good. I got a car park rash on rear wing and dent guy pulled it out no problem and simply buffed up the paint, no paintwork needed and it’s impossible to see. _________________ Present:
- 992 Carrera S
- Yamaha MT01; CCM Cafe Racer
- VW T2 Bay Window 1976
Past:
- 991.2 Carrera, 640d GC, 635d, RS6, Audi TT 225, Astra with wind up windows, Citroen ZX, Rover 213, yes behold, a Rover 213... Renault 5
k11pol Monza
Joined: 18 Feb 2010 Posts: 220 Location: Aberdeen
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject:
The problem with a re spray is firstly will it match 100% and secondly what happens if you get another chip after the re spray ? You’ve wasted your money.
I’ve been told that the PPF also hides and prevents any swirl marks in the paint work. I’m going to go for it and as requested will put up some pics when done.
squelch Nürburgring
Joined: 05 Jun 2016 Posts: 463 Location: Bucks
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:46 pm Post subject:
GT3GT3 wrote:
ukrr wrote:
I've been thinking about this for a while and often worry about removal - this was heightened this week when a well known youtuber had a wrap (not ppf) removed from his murcialago and it took big chunks of his clear coat with it :-(
That's because it was wrapped over a shonky respray. Over a factory finish paint job it'll be fine.
Yes, I followed that saga - it's rather convenient for the yoochoobers and their favourite wrap company that the previous respray has borne the brunt of the blame (which probably has played its part). However, there are a few other things to bear in mind on that particular car not least of which was the appalling quality of the fit and finish of the wrap's original application (there was a vid about various poorly fitting parts including the engine cover sitting about half an inch proud for crying out loud!!). But in their eyes the wrap company can do no wrong!
What I found more interesting was that in the same vid Paul mentioned how cold it was in their workshop - far from optimum conditions for removing vinyl wraps! I think a lack of care and attention is prevalent in this case - if you find a company who cares then all "should" be well (although they all generally will not accept responsibility for lifting lacquer). _________________ From Stuttgart: 997 GTS, 997 GT3 (Kermit)
From Munich: 535d M Touring
From Bologne: Ducati Superlight
Gone but not forgotten: 996 C4S, 964, 924
squelch Nürburgring
Joined: 05 Jun 2016 Posts: 463 Location: Bucks
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:51 pm Post subject:
k11pol wrote:
I’ve been told that the PPF also hides and prevents any swirl marks in the paint work. I’m going to go for it and as requested will put up some pics when done.
The PPF will generally not hide swirl marks (you may get away with hiding some light swirl marks depending on the colour) and will simply "lock them in" so if you have them you'll be needing a full detail and paint correction first. _________________ From Stuttgart: 997 GTS, 997 GT3 (Kermit)
From Munich: 535d M Touring
From Bologne: Ducati Superlight
Gone but not forgotten: 996 C4S, 964, 924
Slayer Indianapolis
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 2409 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:48 pm Post subject:
squelch wrote:
k11pol wrote:
I’ve been told that the PPF also hides and prevents any swirl marks in the paint work. I’m going to go for it and as requested will put up some pics when done.
The PPF will generally not hide swirl marks (you may get away with hiding some light swirl marks depending on the colour) and will simply "lock them in" so if you have them you'll be needing a full detail and paint correction first.
Fully agree with the above. Detail first _________________ Current: 981 Cayman S with some goodies
Sold:
Golf R 7.5 FL ( Atlantic blue with Akropovic exhausts/ Performance pack)
Golf R FL 7.5, A45 AMG FL, Golf R , Golf GT, VW Golf R (Reflex silver) 2016
VW Golf R, Golf Match, VW Scirocco 2TDI R line-BMT , 997 Gen 1 Turbo , 997 C2S(Aerokit), 997 C2S, Cayman S, 997 C4S, 997 Carrera, Boxster
MLB9911 Newbie
Joined: 09 Jun 2018 Posts: 46 Location: Hertfordshire
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:20 pm Post subject:
I had my bonnet, front bumper, front wings, sills and half rear arches done at MaxProtect in Kings Langley. White 991.1 C4S and I do c90 miles a day in it and I think it has saved many chips on the M25 etc. Janis who owns that company has GT3 and 2 RS new and old direct from OPCs and he has done a 918 you can see on YouTube. Top guy and does ceramic coatings on wheels and reforms paint work
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pzero General
Joined: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 5357 Location: London
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:07 pm Post subject:
MLB9911 wrote:
I had my bonnet, front bumper, front wings, sills and half rear arches done at MaxProtect in Kings Langley. White 991.1 C4S and I do c90 miles a day in it and I think it has saved many chips on the M25 etc. Janis who owns that company has GT3 and 2 RS new and old direct from OPCs and he has done a 918 you can see on YouTube. Top guy and does ceramic coatings on wheels and reforms paint work
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