MPS4S are way better than Pzero as said above _________________ Manual 997.2 c2 :Basalt + gtechniq : H&S + Gundo
Hamster75 Silverstone
Joined: 07 Sep 2017 Posts: 127 Location: Chester
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:10 pm Post subject:
Think most of the answers are already said & done,
I had a mate who stuffed his new c2 into the Armco on a straight wet road giving it a blip, they are a pendulum when they let loose.
My guess is heavy right foot & cold temperature's, I must admit I was pretty crap at saving them at Silverstone's Porsche facility in the wet.
maldren Österreich
Joined: 07 Oct 2016 Posts: 973
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:30 am Post subject:
Modern sporting cars like the Porsche have amazing suspension and levels of grip and we get used to it.
However, in the wet as others have said, aquaplaning can dramatically reduce levels of grip. The grip in these conditions (and even worse on ice) is really determined by the tyres and pretty independent of the car itself - you may be no better than any other car. Of course, this is a much larger difference between wet and dry than you might get from a basic hatchback. _________________ Mike
2003 996.2 C2 Coupe Arctic Silver
Luddite Trainee
Joined: 18 Dec 2018 Posts: 96 Location: Scotland
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:59 pm Post subject:
Those of us who in their youth and beyond pushed our luck out there on two wheels ... and survived.... Learned faaaast to READ the road surface and how it changed from yard to yard, mile to mile, day to day, season to season, and part of that learning process may have involved gravel rash, which was a real pain when picking those little stones out from under the skin on one`s knees... Not something quickly forgotten..?
Road repairs I think known as overbanding, generally provide far less grip that the surrounding road surface best not to accelerate or brake on any of that..?
In Autmn the leaves can cause real issues even when the sun is shining as they can shelter the frost below which has already melted on the rest of the bare Tarmac
The same leaves once crushed to pulp by traffic do not provide a surface with much in the way of grip and less so when applying power out of the apex...
Bus routes in cities and perhaps more so bus stops can be diesel infected, tight corners likewise caused by diesel spills from over filled tanks, not much grip on diesel.... ouch!
The first rain shower after a long hot spell should be treated as if the road was covered in frost...especially on those bus or HGV routes and inner lanes of roads..
Sure some tyres are better than others, just as some drivers have a bit more understanding of the road surface than others.
Perhaps best to remember it is still possible for a great driver to spin the best handling car in the world on the very best tyres for the prevailing conditions... F1 drivers do it in the wet and the dry just about every weekend in the Summer..
angry Montreal
Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 588 Location: East sussex
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:30 pm Post subject:
Michelins are simply the best all round...very good in the damp and wet.
As people have said obviously verify correct tyre pressures.
At a minimum I would get a local Geometry done.
At best ( a long way, I know) but the boys at Centre Gravity will transform your car to the way it should be and better!!
Ive done colossal speeds in the wet on my many trips to and from Germany on the autobahns (in my 993) over the years...
-Worn Pirellis=Lethal!
-Poor Geometery= Lethal!
-Properly set up=Fine!
-Centre Gravity set up= Fantastic!
Your GTS should be a lot better than a 993! _________________ 996 Turbo Previous
993 C2.
spongebob squarepants Shanghai
Joined: 20 Dec 2009 Posts: 4642 Location: Manchester and Iraq
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:47 pm Post subject:
Coming form a 997 C4S, to the 430 BHP 991 engine, I’d say there’s absolutely nowt wrong, other than the summer tyres, and the brand!
Mine is exactly the same in the wet and cold, the back end is all over the place with the right foot down. I’d only worry if it’s like that in the dry with decent tyres or with winters fitted at this time of year.
The worse brand of tyre for winter, cold temps, wet roads and 2 wheel drive do not mix at all. And yes I’m also on Pirelli’s which is also a big part of your problem. _________________
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NLW73 Barcelona
Joined: 27 May 2014 Posts: 1360 Location: Yateley
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:14 pm Post subject:
get winter tyres!! I have them on mine and my 997 feels epic on them.
especially for the coming months. well worth doing and being in control rather than having a big one that could be a lot more expensive than a set of winters!
massive wide summer tyres are utter shite in this weather, _________________ 997 C2s Schwarz
sideways Silverstone
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 120 Location: Surrey
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:13 pm Post subject:
Mine lit up its rears as it went into 3rd gear coming off a slip road on the A3 tonight. Crossing the white lines was the main cause of it (and driving like a numpty). Traction control and a lift off brought everything back into line. I’ve got 4mm on my rear Pirelli’s left. They are truly 💩 in the cold and wet.
Michelin’s everyday when possible. _________________ 992 C4S loading..........
991.2 Carrera "My first 911" edition
angry Montreal
Joined: 30 Sep 2008 Posts: 588 Location: East sussex
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:40 pm Post subject:
sideways wrote:
Mine lit up its rears as it went into 3rd gear coming off a slip road on the A3 tonight. Crossing the white lines was the main cause of it (and driving like a numpty). Traction control and a lift off brought everything back into line. I’ve got 4mm on my rear Pirelli’s left. They are truly 💩 in the cold and wet.
Michelin’s everyday when possible.
But you are "Sideways" _________________ 996 Turbo Previous
993 C2.
tom_nieto Monza
Joined: 08 Jan 2017 Posts: 218
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:33 am Post subject:
Have you had the geometry checked?
sideways Silverstone
Joined: 17 Oct 2016 Posts: 120 Location: Surrey
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:58 pm Post subject:
angry wrote:
But you are "Sideways"
It *might* explain why i only get about 3500 miles out of the rears... _________________ 992 C4S loading..........
991.2 Carrera "My first 911" edition
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