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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:19 pm Post subject:
Hi y'all
On a similar but different note.!
Has anyone any thoughts on the Mclaren MP4-12c?
They are around the 80k mark, surely a bargain and cant get any lower.
A pretty rare sight with not many in the UK. I can not see it being a bad buy.
Any thoughts out there _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
FZP Estoril
Joined: 18 Jan 2015 Posts: 3890 Location: Cheshire
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:25 pm Post subject:
Warranty and no independent specialists mean McLaren only servicing so you're at their mercy _________________ 997.2 Carrera 2S GT Silver/Cocoa.
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:35 pm Post subject:
Thorney Motorsport now services and maintain them at a much cheaper rate. https://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/ _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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G2 Albert Park
Joined: 26 Oct 2015 Posts: 1535
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:35 pm Post subject:
FZP wrote:
Warranty and no independent specialists mean McLaren only servicing so you're at their mercy
Cannot see them doing anything but keep depreciating so cost of ownership at all ages will be daft. They are great engineering exercises and quick on track, but you need to be going very quick to get any emotional response and that means a let down on the road unless you want to gamble your license.
I’ve driven a few on track and they are quick but forgettable if I’m honest....
Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 20 Jan 2018 Posts: 277 Location: Somewhere else
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:44 pm Post subject:
FZP wrote:
Warranty and no independent specialists mean McLaren only servicing so you're at their mercy
Just looked on there site.
They do loads of stuff now that is interesting to see.
Nice one _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 20 Jan 2018 Posts: 277 Location: Somewhere else
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:46 pm Post subject:
G2 wrote:
FZP wrote:
Warranty and no independent specialists mean McLaren only servicing so you're at their mercy
Cannot see them doing anything but keep depreciating so cost of ownership at all ages will be daft. They are great engineering exercises and quick on track, but you need to be going very quick to get any emotional response and that means a let down on the road unless you want to gamble your license.
I’ve driven a few on track and they are quick but forgettable if I’m honest....
Can they really depreciate much more?
I know they had a few issues to start with and they were sorted with I presume all cars having the IRIS2 upgrade and engine mod.
I do like the clinical side to the looks and they are a fairly dateless design. _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:51 pm Post subject:
Tobyone wrote:
They do loads of stuff now that is interesting to see.
Nice one
Check out their YouTube channel, they have some good buyer's guide information on there. They can also sort out that exhaust sound for you if that is your thing. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 20 Jan 2018 Posts: 277 Location: Somewhere else
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:07 pm Post subject:
apollokre1d wrote:
Tobyone wrote:
They do loads of stuff now that is interesting to see.
Nice one
Check out their YouTube channel, they have some good buyer's guide information on there. They can also sort out that exhaust sound for you if that is your thing.
Your dead right, the buyers guide is really good _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
squelch Montreal
Joined: 05 Jun 2016 Posts: 508 Location: Bucks
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:44 pm Post subject:
Tobyone wrote:
Has anyone any thoughts on the Mclaren MP4-12c?
They are around the 80k mark, surely a bargain and cant get any lower.
Funnily enough I said that when they dropped to £90k last year. I told myself "They're at the bottom of the bell curve and will head back up towards £100k next year" as I toyed with buying into it.
Tobyone wrote:
Can they really depreciate much more?
I reckon, yes!
Tobyone wrote:
I know they had a few issues to start with and they were sorted with I presume all cars having the IRIS2 upgrade and engine mod.
The Iris upgrade is the least of your worries on the 12C.
I started looking at the 570S for a while with a view to aligning things for a purchase this year, but then a certain green GT3 popped up for sale and put paid to that! I reckon it's done me a favour as my heart really is with Pork and with McLaren's plan for 18 new models by 2025 I can't see residuals being too solid on any but the specials.
That said, I guess it is possible that the 12C, being the first of the "new era" McL's, could achieve a sought after status. Unlikely though as, unlike cars such as the 911 which has a clear lineage of evolution, the new models tend to push down residuals of the older ones. The cheapest 570S I saw was £107k so another question could be when will these dip into 5 figures...
Just my opinion though, so counts for nothing. _________________ From Stuttgart: 997 GTS, 997 GT3 (Kermit)
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From Bologne: Ducati Superlight
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Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 20 Jan 2018 Posts: 277 Location: Somewhere else
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:56 pm Post subject:
squelch wrote:
Tobyone wrote:
Has anyone any thoughts on the Mclaren MP4-12c?
They are around the 80k mark, surely a bargain and cant get any lower.
Funnily enough I said that when they dropped to £90k last year. I told myself "They're at the bottom of the bell curve and will head back up towards £100k next year" as I toyed with buying into it.
Tobyone wrote:
Can they really depreciate much more?
I reckon, yes!
Tobyone wrote:
I know they had a few issues to start with and they were sorted with I presume all cars having the IRIS2 upgrade and engine mod.
The Iris upgrade is the least of your worries on the 12C.
I started looking at the 570S for a while with a view to aligning things for a purchase this year, but then a certain green GT3 popped up for sale and put paid to that! I reckon it's done me a favour as my heart really is with Pork and with McLaren's plan for 18 new models by 2025 I can't see residuals being too solid on any but the specials.
That said, I guess it is possible that the 12C, being the first of the "new era" McL's, could achieve a sought after status. Unlikely though as, unlike cars such as the 911 which has a clear lineage of evolution, the new models tend to push down residuals of the older ones. The cheapest 570S I saw was £107k so another question could be when will these dip into 5 figures...
Just my opinion though, so counts for nothing.
Mmmm you may be right.
So does this mean the 12c is about to be an utter bargain.
I have not read anywhere any horror stories, yes a few niggles here and there and like our 911s if you don't look after them, use the correct oil etc they will cause an expensive break of the wallet. _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
squelch Montreal
Joined: 05 Jun 2016 Posts: 508 Location: Bucks
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:19 pm Post subject:
Tobyone wrote:
Mmmm you may be right.
So does this mean the 12c is about to be an utter bargain.
I have not read anywhere any horror stories, yes a few niggles here and there and like our 911s if you don't look after them, use the correct oil etc they will cause an expensive break of the wallet.
Possibly - if you're lucky. On the other hand it could be an utter money pit or ticking time bomb. The 12C suffers gearbox / oil seal issues and apparently it's >£20k for McL to do the job. When I was looking I joined a McL group on FBook and it's amazing what "foibles" owners report / tolerate.
I've heard from a friend who's ordered a new McL that they will not take a 12C in px unless there's at least £30k margin in it because of the issues they have. I also heard (from someone on here I think) that a bodyshop they went to recently had loads of McL's there due to corrosion issues. _________________ From Stuttgart: 997 GTS, 997 GT3 (Kermit)
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Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 20 Jan 2018 Posts: 277 Location: Somewhere else
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:25 pm Post subject:
squelch wrote:
Tobyone wrote:
Mmmm you may be right.
So does this mean the 12c is about to be an utter bargain.
I have not read anywhere any horror stories, yes a few niggles here and there and like our 911s if you don't look after them, use the correct oil etc they will cause an expensive break of the wallet.
Possibly - if you're lucky. On the other hand it could be an utter money pit or ticking time bomb. The 12C suffers gearbox / oil seal issues and apparently it's >£20k for McL to do the job. When I was looking I joined a McL group on FBook and it's amazing what "foibles" owners report / tolerate.
I've heard from a friend who's ordered a new McL that they will not take a 12C in px unless there's at least £30k margin in it because of the issues they have. I also heard (from someone on here I think) that a bodyshop they went to recently had loads of McL's there due to corrosion issues.
That make it worrying, hate these things that come out as never know how true they all are or exaggerated.
Certainly would put me off.
Have been looking and wondering about getting one the last few months over another 911 _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:46 pm Post subject:
squelch wrote:
Tobyone wrote:
Mmmm you may be right.
So does this mean the 12c is about to be an utter bargain.
I have not read anywhere any horror stories, yes a few niggles here and there and like our 911s if you don't look after them, use the correct oil etc they will cause an expensive break of the wallet.
Possibly - if you're lucky. On the other hand it could be an utter money pit or ticking time bomb. The 12C suffers gearbox / oil seal issues and apparently it's >£20k for McL to do the job. When I was looking I joined a McL group on FBook and it's amazing what "foibles" owners report / tolerate.
I've heard from a friend who's ordered a new McL that they will not take a 12C in px unless there's at least £30k margin in it because of the issues they have. I also heard (from someone on here I think) that a bodyshop they went to recently had loads of McL's there due to corrosion issues.
Agree with this... I've always wanted a McLaren ever since seeing the F1 when I was in high school but there are just soo many stories out there on how bad these cars "could be" that put me off.
But... now that there is an independent I could reconsider one day but for now I am really happy with what I've got.
This video (bit long and boring at parts) has some interesting insights into someone's ownership experience. Obviously, this is one person's experience and I am sure there are loads of good experiences out there too.
This video (bit long and boring at parts) has some interesting insights into someone's ownership experience. Obviously, this is one person's experience and I am sure there are loads of good experiences out there too.
Indeed - funnily enough watched that yesterday. The warranties seem to vary depending on model and certainly make the Porsche warranty look good value! _________________ From Stuttgart: 997 GTS, 997 GT3 (Kermit)
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From Bologne: Ducati Superlight
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Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:14 pm Post subject:
I will have a look at that later thanks.
58 mins so it should say a far bit _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
G2 Albert Park
Joined: 26 Oct 2015 Posts: 1535
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject:
Tobyone wrote:
Can they really depreciate much more?
I know they had a few issues to start with and they were sorted with I presume all cars having the IRIS2 upgrade and engine mod.
I do like the clinical side to the looks and they are a fairly dateless design.
I think the problem is that they very much could. Yes the F1 is now hugely valuable but there are very few of them and they were really more bespoke Hypercars than the mass marketing items that they release now.... McLaren themselves are the problem as they appear to release a new model every 5 mins and have lots of specials to really confuse the market. Basic rule of business is learn how to look after your second user market and manage the asset lifecycle. McLaren appear to focus only on the next new car sale which will mean thier customers pay the price through high servicing costs and poor residuals.
Apollo is right re an available indie now, but as they actually run a race team it’s more likely the motivation is to use the tools they bought to enable the raceing to generate a bit of income than actually focus on indi servicing ?
I guess we are spoilt as porsche fans as there is a massive availibilty experience from race teams, engine builders and indi servicing all generated from years of affordable performance cars.
Tobyone Spa-Francorchamps
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:18 pm Post subject:
All food for thought defiantly.
I certainly agree with the new model variation every 5 minutes.
Must be following in Lotus footsteps _________________ 997.1 C4s GT Silver, factory Aerokit
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:19 pm Post subject:
squelch wrote:
Indeed - funnily enough watched that yesterday. The warranties seem to vary depending on model and certainly make the Porsche warranty look good value!
Agree with that
Tobyone wrote:
I will have a look at that later thanks.
58 mins so it should say a far bit
To be fair they do not go on about the issues (this owner did not have any but only had it 7 months) just the depreciation and running costs. Could have been a 20-minute video. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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apollokre1d Paul Ricard
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:32 pm Post subject:
G2 wrote:
McLaren appear to focus only on the next new car sale which will mean thier customers pay the price through high servicing costs and poor residuals.
Very true, in 2016 McLaren said they have 15 new cars (spiders and coupes etc) scheduled for release till 2022. YOu know what that will do to values of current models. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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sim996 Monza
Joined: 05 Aug 2017 Posts: 209
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:34 pm Post subject:
squelch wrote:
Tobyone wrote:
Mmmm you may be right.
So does this mean the 12c is about to be an utter bargain.
I have not read anywhere any horror stories, yes a few niggles here and there and like our 911s if you don't look after them, use the correct oil etc they will cause an expensive break of the wallet.
Possibly - if you're lucky. On the other hand it could be an utter money pit or ticking time bomb. The 12C suffers gearbox / oil seal issues and apparently it's >£20k for McL to do the job. When I was looking I joined a McL group on FBook and it's amazing what "foibles" owners report / tolerate.
I've heard from a friend who's ordered a new McL that they will not take a 12C in px unless there's at least £30k margin in it because of the issues they have. I also heard (from someone on here I think) that a bodyshop they went to recently had loads of McL's there due to corrosion issues.
It's a weepy gearbox oil seal, most have had it done but thorney can fix for a few grand, needs a fair bit dismantling to fix. But it's not such a big issue anymore. I've been looking at these myself, but the warranty is expensive.
991.1 GT, if it comes down to a reasonable level of depreciation, the g engine with the warranty would be a good bet. But I'm not paying overs for it on principal.
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