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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.porscheclubgb.com/car-sales/buy-a-porsche/listing/?j=1&ModelGroup=911%20(993)&MinMileage=0&MaxMileage=999999
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Original car in this post sold for £34k and the 4S "close to asking price" £52k


Both good quality ads, lots of descriptions, photos, I guess they provide a sensible guide where the mkt is at for 'honest cars' (i.e. still robust)
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vroomvroom wrote:
Original car in this post sold for £34k and the 4S "close to asking price" £52k


Both good quality ads, lots of descriptions, photos, I guess they provide a sensible guide where the mkt is at for 'honest cars' (i.e. still robust)


Great prices. Especially so for the 34k car which people were pointing out so many areas of concern. Both cars 150K miles too. And over Christmas! Bandit
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 4S has gone now, I was next in the queue should anything fall through...can't see it happening though. Gutted Sad
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 4s was good value. i saw it and spoke at length to the vendor.

so we now have a marker in the sand at 52k for a well maintained c4s. how much more is the same car but with sub 80k miles then?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc944 wrote:
I think the 4s was good value. i saw it and spoke at length to the vendor.

so we now have a marker in the sand at 52k for a well maintained c4s. how much more is the same car but with sub 80k miles then?


It had patchy/missing chunks of service history didn't it? Would of thought £60-something with all the paperwork and stamps.

£70-80k privately would be my guess for an 80,000 mile car. £80-95k from a specialist given the ones 911V seem to turn over very quickly?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a funny market...

i saw the 45k c4 at charles ivey the other day. very nice indeed. cosmetically a bit sad but nothing serious

mechanically very strong and very original and with the same owner for around 20 years. wearing brand new contis all round and even unused compressor and plastic gloves in the boot!

very complete paperwork too and slate grey much nicer in the flesh
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc944 wrote:
its a funny market...

i saw the 45k c4 at charles ivey the other day. very nice indeed. cosmetically a bit sad but nothing serious

mechanically very strong and very original and with the same owner for around 20 years. wearing brand new contis all round and even unused compressor and plastic gloves in the boot!

very complete paperwork too and slate grey much nicer in the flesh


I was looking at the ad a couple of days ago and thought it looked like a good buy. Great colour combo.

What needs sorting cosmetically?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a minor detail on the paint and 4 wheel refurb. if being fussy, a clean up inside but thats your lot

needs new bonnet struts and bottom cam covers replacing and the garage would do that as part of sale prep anyway

its got a really comprehensive paper trail supporting it and had a new clutch and flywheel not long ago and pads and discs are like new
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. Sounds well priced for a Dealer.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc944 wrote:
its a funny market...

i saw the 45k c4 at charles ivey the other day. very nice indeed. cosmetically a bit sad but nothing serious

mechanically very strong and very original and with the same owner for around 20 years. wearing brand new contis all round and even unused compressor and plastic gloves in the boot!

very complete paperwork too and slate grey much nicer in the flesh


Sorry wrong car iyt does have ir con
 
  
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abe froman
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So narrowly missing out on that 4S got me thinking. The other silver 4S on PH is a Cat D and has 16 owners and is the same price. What would you say that is worth?
 
  
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Trantorman
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car your refereeing too has had:

Full B12 Coil over kit with Eibach springs,
4 x top mounts,
2 x ball joints,
ARB BUSHES X 4,
Replacement brake pipes,
Front wishbones x 2,
Rear wishbones x 2,
Rear tie rods x 2,
steel braided brake lines,
Battery,
Brake callipers overhaul.
Tore B HID's
Full 4-wheel alignment
Rear Chassis legs, corrosion repaired,
C/W Inner wing closing panels,
Bumper supports x 4, c/w associated paint work.
Cat heat shields,
All underside clips and fixtures.
Oil cooler surround,
Oil fan resistor,
Oil Fan Temp switch,
Air Con resistor.
RS Battery cut off switch,
battery earth lead.
Altenator bearing and Belt tensioner sensor
New PA1000 board and 2 x plips and 1 x Master key, Ex Hamilton and Palmer.
Distributor drive belt and bearings changed,
Distributor Caps and Rotor arms replaced,
Major service and all fluids and oils changed.
Along with a whole host of other bits and bobs, done.


These cars are now at an age that what happened 5 or 10 years ago in “interesting” but it’s actually totally immaterial, you buy them on the condition as they are now and what’s in front of you, now a “Cat” will never appeal to everyone but does it make any difference to the driving experience, not one little bit. It matter the day you buy it cheaper than the full market rate and the day you sell again below the full market rate.

That car you nearly bought would have likely needed most or all of the above work carried out, so whilst the headline starting price may appear to be cheap once you factor in a lot of the jobs these cars will need, purely because of there age, the overall cost may not become as attractive it may at first appear.
If on the other hand that car has had all the work done its was the bargain of the century and should have been bought on day one..
 
  
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

abe froman wrote:
So narrowly missing out on that 4S got me thinking. The other silver 4S on PH is a Cat D and has 16 owners and is the same price. What would you say that is worth?


I may have viewed and driven this car a few years ago. I'd need to look back through some old photos to be 100%, the carbon, grey interior with standard seats, and the dials are very memorable.

If it is the same car, it spent some time in Germany where I think it was repaired (initial accident would have been in the UK, so probably bought as salvage). Unusually for a write off it has all the previous service history. This usually goes missing if a car is sold through a salvage auction so maybe the owner at the time had salvage rights and took it to Germany or sold it on? Speculating, but what I do remember was not being able to find evidence of the repairs in the service history. Lots of receipts and records, just nothing for the repair.

The car drove nicely aside from some pulling to one side which was perhaps what stopped me pursuing it further. As trantorman states above, there are so many suspension parts on the complex 993 set up which can cause the ride to be out, and I did have an expensive visit to Center Gravity with my own car after buying it to cure something similar. It played on my mind that the car may not be straight because of it (not saying it isn't). From memory it went to Northway in Reading shortly after to broker a sale and they have a good reputation and knew the car so could be worth calling them (previous owner was called Joss). A year or two later it was on sale again through HillMoren which look a decent outfit.

My guess is it will drive straight now. I'd take someone who knows about bodywork and get Zingari's colon stick inside the bits along the door sills. Trunk/wing panel gaps were slightly out but poking around in the trunk everything seemed normal.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe its one of the 2 993s that trantorman owns
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own a few more than 2... Embarassed
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

even better!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
...and get Zingari's colon stick inside the bits along the door sills







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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trantorman wrote:
I own a few more than 2... Embarassed


Is the silver Cat D 4S one of them? Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
tyinsky wrote:
...and get Zingari's colon stick inside the bits along the door sills







Grin


I do believe that the mythical exploratory tool is termed a Colini Stick . . .
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