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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearings that killed mine at 149k, no other bad reports from Hartech about engine condition. Bearings would also be my concern having witnessed this first hand.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:17 pm    Post subject: First time Porsche Reply with quote

Well this has been real food for thought, I never realised there was so much to consider when buying a 996!.What does surprise me is the possibility that I may have to have an engine rebuild at under a hundred thousand miles!! is this normal for a porch?? I’ve had many normal cars that I’ve only ever needed to service etc never have a complete rebuild !! . If this is normal and have to spend 10 k as someone suggested, will it make the said 996 more desirable and reflect in its resale price ? . I’m not buying this car as an investment , as the 996 appears not to be as particularly desirable as other models , although personally I am purchasing mainly based on its looks and to enjoy it
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're buying a £70k high performance sports car for £10k. Engine rebuilds on high performance cars are quite common........high production cars (BMW, Audi, etc.) not so much. A basic rebuild on a 3.4 would be more like £5k than £10k as they aren't prone to needing new cylinder liners and pistons like the 3.6. Although you may not add £5k to the value of the car after a £5k rebuild, you would be able to ask a premium for such work being done.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm now at 132k miles after buying the car with 80 odd k on it 5 years ago. I'm not considering a rebuild in the imminent future but totally understand it's a possibility with my ownership.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a 20 year old car:

Things break all the time on 20 year old cars due to age.



Its got 133k miles on it:

Things will be worn out on any car with that mileage and need replacing if not already done.





I got mine 5 years ago a chunk under your price. I got it at 110k and now has 136k.
I've replaced:
Anything in the suspension with a rubber mount or ball joint
Engine and gearbox mounts
Clutch and flywheel
Rads
Aircon pipes and condenser
Exhaust boxes both sides
Gearshifter mechanism
Brake discs & pads
I think I'm on my third set of tyres
Window regulators
Rust treatment
steering rack pipes

My IMS bearing was perfect when I inspected it. Cam deviation figure is spot on. Oil analysis comes back fine. Engine is healthy - but main bearings will of course be worn as they are designed to wear.

If the car you are buying doesn't have a recent list like that, then budget accordingly. Its not too bad cost wise if you do the work yourself, but labour will suck up thousands.

Check for rust!
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Robert SausageTrousers
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the issues with car forums, is that one person reports a problem, and then 5 people repeat that that person has had that problem, and it makes it seem 5 times as likely that you will have that problem. Add infinity.

However, as others have said, it's a high end sports car that is now 20 years old with 133k on it, of course there's a chance that something will go wrong and perhaps something major (my 2005 997 had an £11k rebuild at 49k miles due to bore scoring), and it will cost more than your average Mondeo to fix. There definitely are also more common issues that have occurred in these engines that you're more likely to suffer than others, but reading on here can and will make it seem like it's a given that you'll have these problems during your ownership, when in fact it's not.

Ultimately, don't go into buying a 911 with your eyes closed and with no or minimal finances to address expensive problems IF they occur, the cars might now be affordable at £10k or whatever but they still cost high-end money to maintain and repair. If you can stump up £10k + in the unlikely event that the car will catastrophically explode during your ownership then you can enjoy the car and know that if the worst happens you can fix it and its value will be reflected come sale time, if however you're going to be paranoid every time you start it because you don't have the means to throw £10k+ at it IF it became necessary then IMO perhaps you're not really in a position to own a 911 (yet?!), they're not budget cars to own.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To give you an idea (if you're extremely savy) here's my running costs for 4 years:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:27 pm    Post subject: 996 Reply with quote

One thing I haven’t mentioned is that this car is an automatic/ triptronic , should I look for a manual instead ? I don’t mind driving either. Just thinking of reliability and maintenance costs,
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 996 Reply with quote

Carpenter100 wrote:
One thing I haven’t mentioned is that this car is an automatic/ triptronic , should I look for a manual instead ? I don’t mind driving either. Just thinking of reliability and maintenance costs,


Tiptronic (note there's only 1 r) gearboxes are reliable and you'll save money by not buying clutches. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiptronic's generally can't be over revved either as it will change up before redlining.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...I drove manual and tip' before opting for a 'tronic because I preferred the driveability...

Others will say that manuals will attract higher values ... I reckon good cars always sell as do those at the right price...

I am also inclined to think that in just a few years many potential buyers in this performance sector will have become used to 'autos' as the majority of new performance cars including Porsche have sophisticated slush boxes thus be more likely not to be put off by a tiptronic and may even actively seek them?

...if you have a spare £10k in reserve just buy the one you like the look and drive off...values have to be pretty close to their bottom?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The auto tiptronic box is pretty reliable. Early cars had a Mercedes auto box. Manual cars tend to command higher prices (there were far more auto 996 cars sold than manual where Porsche offered the choice). But manual cars also have gearbox faults that can be expensive to fix. Go for the transmission that you like. These cars can consume cash at an alarming rate due to age through wear n tear and so a PPI will highlight things that need rectifying. As someone else posted, if the thought of a sudden £5k or £10k bill worrirs you, ask if you are ready for ownership.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject: 996 Reply with quote

Ok I’m still interested in purchasing the 996 , but a swerve ball in the form of a 2005 manual 2.7 s Boxster on 100k and 2002 Tiptronic 3.2 s Boxster on 80k have caught my attention and will be viewing tomorrow with cash in my hand thoughts please ??
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 996 Reply with quote

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Ok I’m still interested in purchasing the 996 , but a swerve ball in the form of a 2005 manual 2.7 s Boxster on 100k and 2002 Tiptronic 3.2 s Boxster on 80k have caught my attention and will be viewing tomorrow with cash in my hand thoughts please ??



I don't know of anyone that bought a 911 and then thought to themselves "I wish I'd bought a Boxster". Wink
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2004 Porsche 996 Turbo

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 996 Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Carpenter100 wrote:


Ok I’m still interested in purchasing the 996 , but a swerve ball in the form of a 2005 manual 2.7 s Boxster on 100k and 2002 Tiptronic 3.2 s Boxster on 80k have caught my attention and will be viewing tomorrow with cash in my hand thoughts please ??



I don't know of anyone that bought a 911 and then thought to themselves "I wish I'd bought a Boxster". Wink


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:57 pm    Post subject: 996 Reply with quote

My concern is the 996 is on 130k , if I keep it 5/6 years add on another 10/15k will anyone want to buy it with close to 150 k on it ? especially when you hear of probable engine rebuilds as normal for the 996 , the Boxster seems the best option.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought my 987.1 Boxster S on 48K miles and, after much ribbing by local members PeterS and Chief about being a hairdresser, I bought my 996.1 about a year later on 103K. 4 years on for the 987.1 Boxster now at 61K and 3 years on for the 996.1 now at 108K.
They are very different cars to drive and if I had to choose one over the other, I would opt for my Boxster S without a doubt, it is just so much fun to hoon around in, whereas the 996 commands much more respect if you want to stay out of a tree Grin

But then again, a Boxster is not a 911, and that was the poster on my bedroom wall as a youngster and a car that I just had to own worship

In all honesty, I wouldn`t buy a 996 on 130K as the engine will be tired, maybe just the bottom end, but still tired. I`m actually getting ready to take the plunge for a Hartech rebuild and 3.7 upgrade and that aint going to be cheap, more than you are looking to buy this 996 for Sad

It`s all down to money unfortunately, can you afford to get the engine repaired if need be, and is the car actually worth it Question
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: 996 Reply with quote

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My concern is the 996 is on 130k , if I keep it 5/6 years add on another 10/15k will anyone want to buy it with close to 150 k on it ?



Anyone that would buy a car with 130k miles on it wouldn't baulk at considering one with 150k miles.

Seriously, the Boxster is a great sports car and a decent Porsche. It's not a 911 but if it suits your budget for your first Porsche you shouldn't be too disappointed.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:25 am    Post subject: 996 Reply with quote

Great reply , spot on . Unfortunately my hart is ruling my head and leaning pretty severely toward the high mileage 911 , despite the high mileage , that’s why they demand bigger money I suppose!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...read T8s post about his C2 Tip with IMS failure to gain an insight into what can happen...

And like a previous poster stated an engine rebuild can cost more than the value of the car you are considering ! My 996 C2 Tip experienced IMS failure at 69k miles earlier this year and by the time I had finished the rebuild was close to£15k...

So...eyes open

Wonderful car to own and drive though...very special.
 
  
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