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rc944
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:47 am    Post subject: Anyone know this 993 c4s? Reply with quote

Reg is n850 fvw car is in the cornwall area and its advertised for a heady 80k on AT
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve not seen the car advertised but £80k is by no means “hefty” for a 993 C4S

#various factors can affect value and the range is wide for a C4S but £80k is more lower end than high end Wink
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adrian993
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with Jont here...

A lot of the good examples that could fetch 100+ just don’t hit the market anymore

I haven’t seen a c2S manual with 50k miles or less on the market except the the 25,000 mile 911v (or hairpin) one that was sold before they even gave a price!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds overpriced to me Bandit

Hand For less than half the dough looking at the provenance I'd be taking a look at the P Reg 100k C2 Manual HERE its a safer bet on a return Grin
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its tricky because there is of course the 993c4s on the pcgb classifieds thats got 120k miles and is about 53k. ive had a look and its not bad

on the other hand, charles ivey have a boggo c4 with 72k miles for about 44k and its hard to justify paying double for a wb car or is it...

a lot of the wb cars seem to be hanging around for a while though
 
  
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why has the £53k bargain car not sold? I suspect advertised for £60k on AT and PH it would of gone. Other thread suggests there is a queue of people wanting it held up by a PPI someone is doing. Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i viewed it about 2 weeks ago and i was the only person on it... vendor is a very nice and straightforward guy.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car is local to me. I believe the owner bought it just before the 996 was
available and may have got a bit of a deal! If it is the same car it is a lovely
example which I have admired from a distance for years, seldomly seen usually on a sunny weekend day. I think I have the right name of the owner
if you want to PM me for confirmation, just can't remember the reg but let's face it their aren't many 993 C4S in that colour in a small town. worship
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc944 wrote:
i viewed it about 2 weeks ago and i was the only person on it... vendor is a very nice and straightforward guy.


What put you off buying it?

Guessing you were on it early as at least two others here have contacted to be told it I’d under inspection and to form an orderly queue. From the ‘993 at auction thread’:
“Been in touch about this car. But looks like I might be one in a long queue.”
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc944 wrote:
i viewed it about 2 weeks ago and i was the only person on it... vendor is a very nice and straightforward guy.


It's not Dr George Eaton selling it Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope def legit!

I did withdraw my interest a few days back because im increasing my budget to get a lower mileage car. i think its great value and were i not so hung up on miles i would have bought it
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

was debadging a factory option at the time of order?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rc944 wrote:
..........im increasing my budget to get a lower mileage car. i think its great value and were i not so hung up on miles i would have bought it


Ah, so you've no intention driving it then? False economy in my view, you'll get hung up on putting miles on it everytime you wheel it out of the garage in fear of doing your dough. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

993 are now in super bubble territory. I'm old enough to remember some classics losing 75% of their value overnight in the early 90s

Things could be different this time, however, we also have the legislating out of petrol cars and the lack of enthusiasm from millenniums.

If you take a 10-year view on classics, things look very grim.

Conclusion - buy, drive and enjoy.



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: 993 Reply with quote

Everybody is predicting the end of the petrol engine but I honestly fail to see where the electricity is going to come from to charge millions of cars overnight. We hardly produce enough to boil everybodys kettles during the break in coronation street!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 993 Reply with quote

stichill99 wrote:
Everybody is predicting the end of the petrol engine but I honestly fail to see where the electricity is going to come from to charge millions of cars overnight. We hardly produce enough to boil everybodys kettles during the break in coronation street!


Wholeheartedly agree on the lack of technology, but sales and (therefore values) can turn on sentiment only.

Diesel sales at down 50% on two years ago - this is a massive decline based on what.....no changes in tax, technology, just customer sentiment.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hybrid petrol engines will rule the roost for the next 30 years ie petrol will remain a fuel supply for a long time yet.

One stat says it all........ to provide the infrastructure to go fully electric by 2030 c400 charging Points have to be installed PER DAY from now. The second is that 60% of cars DO NOT have off street parking.

Even if the tech is there the cost / infrastructure to deliver it us not and will not be for a very long time. Certainly long enough for me to not have to worry about how I will fuel my petrol classic Wink

As for the fabled bubble, 993 in particular will be immune to that for 2 basic reasons...... they where massively undervalued to start with back in 2012 / 13 so it was more a correction than a bubble and simple supply and demand ie they do not need many people, whether than actually be millennials or not, to retain their values Thumb

#re electric infrastructure I have just spent 6 months researching the tech for our businesses which include a large portfolio of both private and public car parking facilities. Those currently investing in the tech are doing so as loss leaders for other reasons, at some point it will have to be paid for by you and me and that will be why hybrid will bridge the gap for decades yet.
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The average pint of beer is over £1 more now than it was in 2008. I’m not going to stop drinking it because it looks poor value compared to years gone.

I’m happy with what I paid for mine. Less happy with what I have spent since but also happy the work has been done. Turning it into a 3.8 has made it very special. At no point did I ever expect to get my money back when I sell.

Paying more for a lower mileage example probably makes a lot of sense if whoever is buying only intends to do a couple of thousand miles a year. Someone intending to put 10k a year on is likely better off with a higher miles car. Assuming both examples are decent.
 
  
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