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997.2 disappointment

I'd love that Akrapovic (bargain!!) but it would eat up pretty much the entire fund for my boy's MX5 project. And I think my wife would hate me, as she already frowns at early morning cold starts with my 9972 (PSE + Hayward & Scott). We live in the country, where it is very quiet, and apparently the house shakes...
 
spongebob squarepants said:
Read all the above and then to avoid the 'Vauxhall Corsa syndrome" after spending a fortune just buy a 991 :grin: :thumb:

I appreciate you're being light hearted here, but a 991 is probably £15 to £20k more than a similar spec 997.2, so the "spending a fortune" comment doesn't really stack up.
You could get a nice exhaust (Akra, Kline etc.), keep the stock one, revert back at sale time and sell the Akra/Kline all for waaaaaay less than a 991.
Anyway, in my experience the 991 is a rather different car compared to a 997 so it's all a bit moot anyhow.

Oh, and if you get the right exhaust it'll sound nothing like a Corsa!
 
Counter Of Beans said:
spongebob squarepants said:
Read all the above and then to avoid the 'Vauxhall Corsa syndrome" after spending a fortune just buy a 991 :grin: :thumb:

I appreciate you're being light hearted here, but a 991 is probably £15 to £20k more than a similar spec 997.2, so the "spending a fortune" comment doesn't really stack up.
You could get a nice exhaust (Akra, Kline etc.), keep the stock one, revert back at sale time and sell the Akra/Kline all for waaaaaay less than a 991.
Anyway, in my experience the 991 is a rather different car compared to a 997 so it's all a bit moot anyhow.

Oh, and if you get the right exhaust it'll sound nothing like a Corsa!

I am with you on the financial front and also dont think the 991 sounds any better than stock 997.2 both with or without PSE which I realise is all the noise many , want but when your after a more race car sound none of the OE stuff does the job. as you say COB it can be removed at sale time and maybe half the cost recovered , I also like the soundbite of your custom made job sounds IMO quite like the cargraphic set up but for half the cost. I can honestly say no one has ever said mine sounds like a cross with a coke can exhaust :grin: also worth noting that you can have more or less crackles and pops by getting a remap as well as an exhaust. :thumb: :thumb:
 
benbuhagiar said:
Counter Of Beans said:
I spoke to three different fabricators, including Topgear, and they all said that a Gundo hack on a Gen 2 was not much good. Well, maybe "they would say that wouldn't they?" but in my opinion, if you want a good exhaust note on a Gen 2 you're best advised to get a bespoke cat back full system.
I haven't heard Cargraphic, Akrapovic or Kline in person but they are very expensive although no doubt very good.
I spent slightly over £2k on an exhaust from CGR Automotive in Rotherham; it's a very well made full stainless system and I think it sounds damned fine. Have a look here: https://www.cgrautomotive.co.uk/single-post/Porsche-911-Exhaust

Just my 2p's worth, regards, Mike.

When I spoke to Topgear, they advised a Gundo on it's own won't make much difference, it needs the Bypass pipes to compliment it.

I could be wrong but do the Gundo and Topgear Valvetronic exhaust system have a similar noise output? The main difference being the Gundo hack is permanent but topgear can be switched by a button?

Hi Ben , no the gundo is more base like, a bit like how these cars sound when the engine is cold , the topgear has a more sporty note. but like all things you get what you pay for the gundo is basically a PSE on loud and for £300 isn't a bad option ,then there are the mid range exhausts like topgear ,millet, designtek etc that have a more sporty note then there are the high end which are more race car like and budget dependant start in stainless then titanium and finally Inconel each metal moving up a step in race car sound and cost. but exhaust note in very personal so what sounds good to me may not to others and visa versa.
 
Phil 997 said:
Counter Of Beans said:
spongebob squarepants said:
Read all the above and then to avoid the 'Vauxhall Corsa syndrome" after spending a fortune just buy a 991 :grin: :thumb:

I appreciate you're being light hearted here, but a 991 is probably £15 to £20k more than a similar spec 997.2, so the "spending a fortune" comment doesn't really stack up.
You could get a nice exhaust (Akra, Kline etc.), keep the stock one, revert back at sale time and sell the Akra/Kline all for waaaaaay less than a 991.
Anyway, in my experience the 991 is a rather different car compared to a 997 so it's all a bit moot anyhow.

Oh, and if you get the right exhaust it'll sound nothing like a Corsa!

I am with you on the financial front and also dont think the 991 sounds any better than stock 997.2 both with or without PSE which I realise is all the noise many , want but when your after a more race car sound none of the OE stuff does the job. as you say COB it can be removed at sale time and maybe half the cost recovered , I also like the soundbite of your custom made job sounds IMO quite like the cargraphic set up but for half the cost. I can honestly say no one has ever said mine sounds like a cross with a coke can exhaust :grin: also worth noting that you can have more or less crackles and pops by getting a remap as well as an exhaust. :thumb: :thumb:

You need a run in Herman yellow :grin: On a serious note I've yet to hear a 997 that's anything like a 991 :dont know:
 
Counter Of Beans said:
spongebob squarepants said:
Read all the above and then to avoid the 'Vauxhall Corsa syndrome" after spending a fortune just buy a 991 :grin: :thumb:

I appreciate you're being light hearted here, but a 991 is probably £15 to £20k more than a similar spec 997.2, so the "spending a fortune" comment doesn't really stack up.
You could get a nice exhaust (Akra, Kline etc.), keep the stock one, revert back at sale time and sell the Akra/Kline all for waaaaaay less than a 991.
Anyway, in my experience the 991 is a rather different car compared to a 997 so it's all a bit moot anyhow.

Oh, and if you get the right exhaust it'll sound nothing like a Corsa!

One of my chums just bought a 991 S in mint condition for 50 k, one owner with 40 k on clock, full OPC history, granted it was missing the PSE but the difference isn't 15-20 k :thumb: the gap has narrowed, so on a serious note rather than spend a fortune on an exhaust I'd still be inclined to go the 991 route :dont know:
 
My colleague recently got a 991.2 S and I was surprised at how muted it sounded. I felt like a total badass in the office garage when I fired my car up. He looked a bit deflated. :eek:
 
This thread has prompted me to take the car out of the garage so that I can wake up the neighbours in the morning.
 
Thanks guys, great advice! The akrapovic YouTube link sounds really nice.

In essence this is the type of sound I'm after...https://youtu.be/YFTmCPqssRg

Might just have a look at a 991.1 with PSE - everyone says they sound more like what the 997.1 with PSE sounded like - but seen the feedback on here suggesting it is quieter than the 997.2 which is contradictory :(

To the poster who has H&S and wants to do the gundo hack, don't would be my advice - my one sounded a mess after...very loud but in a 'farty' like way and genuinely embarrassing. It is the first time my heart has ever sank when driving a car after a small modification. I wished that I put the bypass on and not messed with the mufflers.

After have a 996 with PSE perhaps I'm being unrealistic.
 
Counter Of Beans said:
I spoke to three different fabricators, including Topgear, and they all said that a Gundo hack on a Gen 2 was not much good. Well, maybe "they would say that wouldn't they?" but in my opinion, if you want a good exhaust note on a Gen 2 you're best advised to get a bespoke cat back full system.
I haven't heard Cargraphic, Akrapovic or Kline in person but they are very expensive although no doubt very good.
I spent slightly over £2k on an exhaust from CGR Automotive in Rotherham; it's a very well made full stainless system and I think it sounds damned fine. Have a look here: https://www.cgrautomotive.co.uk/single-post/Porsche-911-Exhaust

Just my 2p's worth, regards, Mike.

That sounds lovely!!!

Is there any drone ?
 
@spongebob, I'm not quite sure what your thoughts on the 991 are :chin:

I once heard of a chum who ended up with a sooty tailpipe after a chance meeting with a Balmoral Green Range Rover that caught his fancy...

Be careful you don't end up the same way! :wack:

:grin:
 
It's easy, but a new TVR Griffith and a 997.1 as cheap as you possibly can :)

I know someone who knows someone who bought a Cat D 997.1 recently for £14k....... What a bargain, it is apparently perfect....
 
BigLion said:
Counter Of Beans said:
I spoke to three different fabricators, including Topgear, and they all said that a Gundo hack on a Gen 2 was not much good. Well, maybe "they would say that wouldn't they?" but in my opinion, if you want a good exhaust note on a Gen 2 you're best advised to get a bespoke cat back full system.
I haven't heard Cargraphic, Akrapovic or Kline in person but they are very expensive although no doubt very good.
I spent slightly over £2k on an exhaust from CGR Automotive in Rotherham; it's a very well made full stainless system and I think it sounds damned fine. Have a look here: https://www.cgrautomotive.co.uk/single-post/Porsche-911-Exhaust

Just my 2p's worth, regards, Mike.

That sounds lovely!!!

Is there any drone ?

The yellow 991 in the soundbite was not stock , they just dont sound like that. As I have said exhaust note is very personal and many will be very happy with the sound of the OE exhaust , but there are also others that want a bit more aggressive note. and I have to say to my ears the custom 2k exhaust that COB has does sound good and is a decent price for what it is. :thumb:
 
OP, my bro just got a full system done on his heavily modified RS3 by www.deutschtech.co.uk near Milton Keynes. I'm not on the VW/Audi Group scene but apparently the chap they have doing their exhausts is an artiste :thumb:
 
That CGR system is the best I've heard on a 997.2.

Is it a 3.6 or 3.8? Looks like badge is just carrera not carrera S?
 

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