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996t Turbochargers refurb

£400 for one actuator?? :floor:

And I thought the oil industry took the piss.........no offence Ken as I realise these are Porsche prices.
 
plynchy said:
£400 for one actuator?? :floor:

And I thought the oil industry took the piss.........no offence Ken as I realise these are Porsche prices.
yes it is a joke from Porsche for sure - we buy direct from bw and it is not as bad. Those parts like the lines used to be half that price 3-4 years ago but Porsche worked out that 996 turbo was good market - same has happened with 997 turbo now - all the lines have gone up crazy price :x
 
My objective in this thread is to share information for the best interest of a other Porsche owners in an as unbiased manner as possible.

-Not to turn threads into a versus match or argument.

-Not to defame an individual(s) or company (s).

Unfortunately, you have put yourself and your company in a difficult position by taking ownership of the quote that the initial user posted of which no names were mentioned initially.

I won't be putting up the Porsche's conclusive invoice for you to try and compare you're service to as I have no interest in embarrassing anyone on a public platform should there be a possibility of doing so

If people are motivated they will simply contact both companies for comparative quotes.

Which I encourage.

These platforms are for helping everyone out.

My advice to you would be to alter your initial post and take down the accountability of the thread starters quote.

I'd also recommend removing the indirect pun about my approach that was facilitated by Porsche Head office taken being cheap and not 'proper'.


All The best

Si :thumb:
 
The facts are that the quote from the OP was text copied from an email from 9e to the OP.

You have then deduced ( how we would all like to know ) that the Labour was close to £4k, that ( and quite rightly the OP ) should shop around because of the labour. Unfortunately as has been shown by our internal document, the labour is not £4K.

The problem Simon is the OP may based on your comment believe we are ripping them off. I am entitled to defend 9e.

You then say that you don't want to argue, not your intention to deflame etc and yet in the next sentence say you wont put up as you don't want to embarrass us ? So you are still trying to make a point that we are not providing a good price.

So you have the list , you have the labour and what is changed. So unless you are paying less than £80 plus vat per hour , or you are not doing xyz as detailed in the labour, the only difference in price will be if the turbo refurb is cheaper.

The point of the forum is to help others and make them informed. Your saying £2200 plus vat is a rip off for one turbo refurb. Your saying that Porsche OPC will do it cheaper.

Well show us how that is please and if you can then I will be happy to adjust my pricing.

I am not taking any post down Simon. My post stands.

Ken
 
^^^^^^ Likewise.


I've been in the position of having to take a decision on 2x broken turbos on a 996 and it wasn't a nice position to be in - so the more transparency we can have to help when this happens on the 997 would be helpful :?:
 
NickHappy said:
^^^^^^ Likewise.


I've been in the position of having to take a decision on 2x broken turbos on a 996 and it wasn't a nice position to be in - so the more transparency we can have to help when this happens on the 997 would be helpful :?:

:agree:


It's not about right vs wrong, it's simply about educating members.

Especially us who have turbo chargers the other side of 10 yrs old....
 
I think Ken has been very transparent here with a full breakdown of the costs associated with the work. It's a proper job to, with stainless steel fixings and new heat shields.

I would also be keen to see the full invoices Simon, at the moment, we have the full facts from one side, and a semi covered bit of invoice from the other... :lol: :lol:
 
NickHappy said:
so the more transparency we can have to help when this happens on the 997 would be helpful :?:
I'm sorry to say it is worse on the vtg cars unfortunately.

On 997.1 cars, there is less opportunity to refurb the turbos than on 996 Turbo. Additionally, whilst removing the lines etc is essentially the same job, the 997.1 cars also have water line to the turbo. It is essential when trying to remove that to avoid having to cut that line or damage it in anyway as to fit new water line is engine down.

On 997.2 cars same applies but there is more room to replace the water line without dropping the engine.

on 991.1 cars same as 997.2 cars.

The pictures below - that is turbo on 991.1 turbo s that we removed (or at least tried to remove) - just impossible to get the lines off and had to cut them all. Hot side wheel had excessive movement and when stripped you can see the cause - scored from contamination.

So you can imagine what they are like on 996 Turbos.
 

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996ttalot said:
The facts are that the quote from the OP was text copied from an email from 9e to the OP.

You have then deduced ( how we would all like to know ) that the Labour was close to £4k, that ( and quite rightly the OP ) should shop around because of the labour. Unfortunately as has been shown by our internal document, the labour is not £4K.

The problem Simon is the OP may based on your comment believe we are ripping them off. I am entitled to defend 9e.

You then say that you don't want to argue, not your intention to deflame etc and yet in the next sentence say you wont put up as you don't want to embarrass us ? So you are still trying to make a point that we are not providing a good price.

So you have the list , you have the labour and what is changed. So unless you are paying less than £80 plus vat per hour , or you are not doing xyz as detailed in the labour, the only difference in price will be if the turbo refurb is cheaper.

The point of the forum is to help others and make them informed. Your saying £2200 plus vat is a rip off for one turbo refurb. Your saying that Porsche OPC will do it cheaper.

Well show us how that is please and if you can then I will be happy to adjust my pricing.

I am not taking any post down Simon. My post stands.

Ken



Ken , this topic isn't up for debate any further. This thread isn't about 9e or the service your company offers at the price you command.

This is about giving information in a bid to aid an enthusiast without the expectation receiving anything in return.

This topic goes beyond the scope of this thread and I won't allow it to turn into an argument.

By the comments you have made demonstrates you are acting extremely threatened when there really is no need to be. Im trying to help you here.

This doesn't take away from the facts of my experience.

The total job cost was £1402 plus vat for replacing one turbo charger including parts and labour. Porsche even fitted my Europipe exhaust without charge with lambda sensors change over etc.

Thread readers should be aware that there are a lot of 'Independent Porsche specialist Garage- Fanboys' (You know who you are) on this forum that only stick up and endorse their own garage to the extent that they deliberately post skeptical and critical comments about other members information in a bid to sabotage good information being shared to benefit others.

I make reference to this in a previous post, when a new (at the time) tuner ESmotor first joined this site with some extremely exciting developments and land speed records with their Porsche Turbo packages. When they posted their results, the reception they got was extremely negative and bullying in nature . Many agreed that this was absolutely unacceptable and disgusting. ESmotor left the site since and not returned.

Finally, thanks for the nice messages everyone has sent so far.


Best

Si :thumb:
 
I think the issue, Simon, is that you haven't helped anyone. You won't show and invoice demonstrating the work done so people can make an informed decision about the value they would be obtaining via different routes. In fact,you have deliberately obscured the information that would further this thread.
 
Spoke with Ken over the phone, thanks for the call.

Im glad you now understand the points and comments and the genuine intention for them. They were made to aid with the best intention of thread starter in mind. Not to discourage or defame others.

I completely, understand and empathised with your angle.

We agreed the comments we made still stand, but aware members are able to actively and respectively agree or disagree without there being a threat any interpersonal problems.

To clarify, there is no ill feeling between us.

Ken, Im also extremely happy as I know others will be that you acknowledged you have a responsibility (albeit limited) to the members on this forum that endorse your brand and/or look up to you as an influencer, along with their actions towards other members on this forum.

You will I hope actively discourage any acts bullying in the future should they arise.

I wish you the best in all your future ventures Ken.


Best

Simon

:thumb:
 
I won't be sharing anymore artefacts in this threat.

Anyone who interested in finding out specific information can contact the parties mentioned in this thread directly.





:thumb:
 
Thread readers should be aware that there are a lot of 'Independent Porsche specialist Garage- Fanboys' (You know who you are) on this forum that only stick up and endorse their own garage to the extent that they deliberately post skeptical and critical comments about other members information in a bid to sabotage good information being shared to benefit others.

Aside from anything else within this thread, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, and it's a real shame not least because it devalues the input that many specialists and forward thinking engineers could have to us all as owners.
 

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