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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:56 am    Post subject: Porsche 911 Carrera T Reply with quote



https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/porsche/t-2dr/first-drive-0

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Porsche 911 Carrera T review: a bargain GT3?

Another 911?!

Yes, and you’d be perfectly forgiven if you wanted to move on to another page. We’re huge Porsche 911 fans, but it’s easy to sympathise with 911 blindness (or boredom) when there are currently 23 different versions on sale.

All of them are pretty familiar, save for this: so welcome the twenty-third 911, the Carrera T. In short, it’s the entry-level Carrera – with rear-wheel drive and 370bhp – but suffused with some of the hardcore road-racer vibe of the ultra-desirable and barely attainable 911 GT3.

So how much is it?

The price is a rip-off. Or a bargain. Depending on your viewpoint, this is either a 911 Carrera with no extra power that’s £7,500 more, or a GT3 without the waiting list politics and nearly £27,000 off. That could buy you a Hyundai i30N for everyday duties.

Want to confuse the matter further? While it effectively comes without air con, a stereo/sat nav or back seats, all in the name of weight saving, you can option them all back in for free. What doesn’t change is the thinner glass and reduced sound deadening, and in truth they’re the most tangible change over a standard Carrera.

How come?

The T’s weight savings are pretty negligible, especially if you start adding equipment back in to make it more appealing on road trips. So while it feels neat, agile and keen, so does every 911. Especially if it’s specced with rear-wheel steering (£1,592) like our test car. While that may not please the purists, it’s a very good way of making a car like this nimble and exciting at all speeds, which is handy if lots of your time is spent crawling through cities.

A bit more noise and rawness in the cabin – no matter how minimal – is the big difference here, and I have to admit to loving the extra dose of focus. Porsche’s 3.0-litre flat-six is one of the better sounding turbo engines out there, making its additional presence via the skinnier glass fine by me.

Our car had no back seats, either, removing another hurdle between exhaust and ear while lending the T an amusing ‘911 van’ feel. Normally two-seater 911s have a big, serious rollcage obstructing much of the additional room, but here’s one that’s suddenly very cavernous indeed. You could run a small hipster food business from here, at the very least.

Get serious. What’s it like to drive?

It has that ever so slightly annoying 911 trait of just feeling damn perfect, and showing every rival up as a bit try-hard. The seating position is immediately spot on, the dials are laid out flawlessly, the throttle response and steering are crisp as anything and the car just gives you everything you need to leap in and drive it right at the top of your own limits.

The manual gearbox would be perfect too if it wasn’t for the current Carrera’s seventh gear. It’s easy to get a little lost on multiple downchanges, in particular a seventh-to-third for a dual carriageway roundabout, but you’d no doubt get used to that if this was your only car.

Could it be your only car?

Absolutely, especially given you can pop those back seats back in if you need them. You still get a huge front boot and all the typical 911 liveability and unimpeachable ergonomics. I came away pretty smitten by the T: the approachability of a base Carrera, and its almost real-world pace, but with a welcome hint of the hardcore about it.

My concern was whether that’s entirely imagined, and without a regular 911 alongside it’d be impossible to know whether the T just feels a bit tougher simply because it has new decals on the side and fabric seats and door pulls that force you into a different mindset. But I was having such a good time, it seemed pointless worrying how authentic it all is.

So it’s a good ‘un…

Sure, the T costs much more than a Carrera, but it does add quite a bit of Good Stuff – sports exhaust, torque vectoring with limited-slip diff, Sport Chrono – and allows the option of rear-wheel steering, not currently available on regular Carreras. It’s the most serious you can make a 911 without the sky-high price and redline of a GT3, delivering a reasonable portion of its fun at more modest budgets and road speeds. We might not have asked for a 23rd 911, but the more I drove the Carrera T, the more I wondered how many of the other 22 we really need. It’s terrific.

9/10




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bought one. They really are that good. I've had 2x 996 turbo, 2x997 turbo's, 997 GT3 and a 991 C4S and its the best handling porshe ive had to date. Whilst it doesn't have the 'dearlordhelpmenow' power of the the 997 turbo this new engine is on throughout the rev range so is just more usable.

The weight saving line is all a bit smoke and mirrors if you ask me but it is definately more nimble and feels lighter even though it really isn't that much.

The T interior is subtly done and a nice place to be. The 7 speed manual takes some getting used to but perserverence is the key.

I may keep this one, for some time yet! Thumb

and yes, I'll post some pictures when i get round to it!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you get round to posting those pictures ? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJA911 wrote:
Did you get round to posting those pictures ? Wink


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of these with remap would be brilliant IMO. I had a look round one recently I really liked the little touches.

It does all sound a bit of a marketing thing but Id buy one over a base Carrera for sure. Guards Red + 5 spoke wheels for me.

This + rear wheel steering.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coullstar wrote:
One of these with remap would be brilliant IMO. I had a look round one recently I really liked the little touches.

It does all sound a bit of a marketing thing but Id buy one over a base Carrera for sure. Guards Red + 5 spoke wheels for me.

This + rear wheel steering.
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We did tuning on one a few months ago - 370ps to 500ps approx. Great car and even better with 500ps.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coullstar wrote:
One of these with remap would be brilliant IMO. I had a look round one recently I really liked the little touches.

It does all sound a bit of a marketing thing but Id buy one over a base Carrera for sure. Guards Red + 5 spoke wheels for me.

This + rear wheel steering.
http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/details/details.ipl?cid=1 Thumb



yep, definitely more than a bit of marketing involved. and i hate to say that it worked on me...

roughly this is how i convinced myself into a manual t using the configurator:
carrera t = 93.5k (not available on base or s: shorter gear stick with red shift pattern, less sound deadening, lightweight rear windows, pull strap handles, higher angle rear spoiler, t-interior, t-exterior, t-feelgood factor)
"equivalent" base carrera = 88k (no rear axle steer, no shorter gear ratios, no mech lsd, no ptv, no sport pasm)
"equivalent" carrera s = 98.5k (more power/torque, bigger brakes)

i had 3 expensive options: t-interior, rear axle steer, bose.

based on what i wanted, the price is almost exactly half-way between base and s Duh

i decided too late to order one new so recently ended up buying a 6mth old car (without re-doing the price comparison against 6mth old base and s cars).

i like to think it was a totally rational decision to go with the t but i reckon the feelgood factor played a huge part for me.

nearly (or maybe that should be "only") a month on and i'm still happy / no regrets at all Yahoo
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seems there will be a 992 carrera t:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a23643990/porsche-911-carrera-t-992/

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We caught up with Achleitner at Porsche's Rennsport Reunion late last month. He was a bit tight-lipped on the forthcoming 992, but he gave us a few nuggets of information. When we asked him if the Carrera T would return, he said "absolutely."
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i was sort of hoping (selfishly) that the 991.2 carrera t would be a one-off Dont know

still, something to look forward to thumbsup
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, whats colour is yours? If I ever get to the point of buying new this is definitely the one Id be looking at.

How do you find it?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine's gt silver with the t-interior in red, photos here: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=118286&start=60

manual transmission, pcm, rear seats, rear wheel steer and bose.

my first 911, coming most recently from a macan gts and an m135i before that, both auto (7-speed pdk and 8-speed zf).

the m135i drivetrain felt amazing & unburstable, but the rest of the car was just ok rather than stellar. i think i'll always love the hot hatch concept in general worship

the macan gts was my first porsche and it felt unburstable all over, simply solid. the suspension was spooky, fully in control and yet totally supple at the same time worship

oddly in several ways the macan gts felt like the closest thing to a porsche hot hatch available.

the carrera t feels like a grown up go-kart in comparison, an expensive well-built go-kart. everything feels more immediate but still refined, probably very much like any other 911 would feel to me Laughing Bow

just over a month and still in the honeymoon phase...

but it'll be interesting to see how porsche configures the 992 carrera t and when it'll be available Question
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