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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: 997 Cabriolet PDK purchase Reply with quote

Hi, Robert Sausage Trousers question and the answers given have provided a lot of the Information I required on my first venture into 911 ownership. The car I will be looking at based on the advice on this site is the 997 Gen 2 PDK cabriolet 2009 onward. My budget is £40k max and my question is "any opinions on a 70,000 miler compared to say a 30,000 in relation to value for money." I intend to use the car for weekends and nice days.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Buy on condition rather than mileage Judge

But if you had to choose between those 2, then I'd say go with the 70k car and keep the money you saved set aside for anything that may need doing thumbsup

Get a PPI done and research the company, if not private sale, as best you can Bandit

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to 911uk JohnJoe,

A 70k mile car will be a lot cheaper to buy than a 30k example but be careful of private sellers not realising the differential that there should be and unscrupulous dealers chancing their arm in the nice weather.

A lot depends upon how much you intend to use the car. If you're planning to do 8-10k miles a year it won't take long for your car to be in the mileage territory that does put a lot of future buyers off. Values of 911s with 90k+ miles tumble significantly.

Personally I'd look for some middle ground. There's loads out there with c50k miles.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought a 70k miler. I didn't see £10k of additional value in one with less.

Check the history on the car carefully. Plenty of people evidently don't understand service schedules.

Check the condition carefully, but (touch wood) it's quite easy to spot shabby ones.

Get it inspected by a specialist.

If you want to put a warranty on it later, check that only Porsche parts have been used in it servicing/works.

Mine feels great and you'd be pushed to guess its mileage without the odo'.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnjoe, Welcome to the forum .I agree with the other comments , condition over miles every time in my book. your budget looks right and as mentioned tap the guys on here for info there are no stupid questions , there will be banter about what are your favorite potato based snack etc . but you will get great feedback from here which hopefully will assist you finding the right car.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome!

As other have said buy on condition and history not on mileage.

If buying now, history, condition and spec would be a higher priority to me than mileage.

Lots of good resources out there including this forum. Also books on the subject such as:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Porsche-911-Practically-Free-Supercar-ebook/dp/B07CP8FJTH/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530953700&sr=8-1&keywords=porsche+911+the+practically+free+supercar

Good luck and enjoy the search it really is worth it Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello johnjoe1, I was in your position a couple of months back (except I wanted a coupe not a cab). I'm going to slightly go against the grain here, since I think mileage makes a big difference to value - both when you purchase now, and if/when you sell later.
That's what I found when looking, anyway.
As mentioned above, once you get near 100k miles values seem to fall steeply (justified or not is another debate). So it depends on how many miles you intend to put on the car.
For me, if I had the choice between a 30k car priced at £42k, or a 70k car priced at £37k I'd go for the lower mileage one - always assuming similar condition for both of course.

Why not compromise and look at a 50k miles example?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm selling my PDK Cab next month for £32K
It's a very pretty car with lots of extras like BOSE, 2018 Satnav upgrade, Milltek exhaust etc. Just been serviced with new plugs & coil packs etc. But it has 82K on the clock, so possibly a bit too high mileage for you.

PM me if you're interested.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les wrote:
I'm selling my PDK Cab next month for £32K
It's a very pretty car with lots of extras like BOSE, 2018 Satnav upgrade, Milltek exhaust etc. Just been serviced with new plugs & coil packs etc. But it has 82K on the clock, so possibly a bit too high mileage for you.

PM me if you're interested.



Yours is a very pretty car. I can’t believe that it’s only worth £32k though! I know that mine has much lower mileage but to put things into context for the OP I paid £31k for my 997.1 C2S cab with 28,500 miles on the clock 18 months ago. I think if I were buying now I’d definitely go with a cherished higher mileage gen 2.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_nieto wrote:
I can’t believe that it’s only worth £32k though!


Lots of people, especially those on forums always believe their cars are worth more than they actually are because of the silly prices some people advertise. But I'm old enough to know there is a lot of difference between the advertised and selling price which is why I've priced my car in the real world.
Just in case anyone else is interested:

I currently waiting for a property sale to complete, which means I'll be using the 911 for a few more weeks before I will let it go, as i need the extra cash for my next car. At £32K it will be the cheapest PDK Cabriolet in the country (unless you can find a doggy high mileage car with no extras).

Specs are:
Midnight blue with dark blue leather.
7spd PDK.
BOSE.
Heated Memory seats.
Multifunction S/Wheel.
Auto Dimming mirrors (all 3).
Auto wipers.
Multifunction Wheel.
Rear Park Assist.
19" Sport Design wheels.
Nav updated to 2018 maps by OPC Portsmouth.
Milltek cross over pipes with PCW gundo rear box (sounds lovely).
Clear Rear LED (Porsche Classic) lights.
Dynamic Cornering bi-xenon lights.
Wind Deflector.
PORSCHE script badging.
Front discs and pads changed 3 months ago.
Full OPC Service history.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les wrote:

Specs are:
Midnight blue with dark blue leather.
7spd PDK.
BOSE.
Heated Memory seats.
Multifunction S/Wheel.
Auto Dimming mirrors (all 3).
Auto wipers.
Multifunction Wheel.
Rear Park Assist.
19" Sport Design wheels.
Nav updated to 2018 maps by OPC Portsmouth.
Milltek cross over pipes with PCW gundo rear box (sounds lovely).
Clear Rear LED (Porsche Classic) lights.
Dynamic Cornering bi-xenon lights.
Wind Deflector.
PORSCHE script badging.
Front discs and pads changed 3 months ago.
Full OPC Service history.


Very nice! OP should take note! Heck, I would be taking note if I were in the market! Perhaps it’s time to upgrade...! The difference between gen 1 and gen 2 when I was in the market was £10k.
 
  
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johnjoe1
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: 997 cab PDK Reply with quote

Thanks for all the posts, kept me right. I went for a private sale car got Porsche Inspections, London to check it out fortunately as there was lots wrong so didn't bother.
So any opinions on 997 cab C2 3.8s PDK
1. 2008 30,000 £40k
2. 2011 69,000 £40k
Both immaculate with lots of extras
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 997 cab PDK Reply with quote

johnjoe1 wrote:
Thanks for all the posts, kept me right. I went for a private sale car got Porsche Inspections, London to check it out fortunately as there was lots wrong so didn't bother.
So any opinions on 997 cab C2 3.8s PDK
1. 2008 30,000 £40k
2. 2011 69,000 £40k
Both immaculate with lots of extras
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What's going to excite you more when you open the garage door on a Saturday morning?

Buy the model, spec and condition you want. I would advise against considering options based on mileage unless your primary motivation is to preserve potential future values.


I say this as someone who (by chance rather than design) bought a 2010 car with 25k miles and spent the next 18 months getting caught up with continuously evaluating the market & worrying about future values. I soon became quite envious of those with their leggy cars who were talking about their endless adventures and future plans. I have since seen the light.

997s will not see the prices our air cooled siblings are now enjoying for some time. IMHO.

Low mileage doesn't equal better car. FWIW I would go Gen 2 and drive the pants off it. Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think id be choosing the car with the lower mileage all things being equal. Age isn't a big issue both being Gen 2 cars. My car is a 2008 and is immaculate under all the plastics under the car. They are really well built.
If you average it out at 7k miles a year, you'd be into year 6 before your get to the mileage of the 2011 car.
Just my 2 cents
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignore what I said, I thought the 2008 car was a Gen 1.

What FPZ said Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 997 cab PDK Reply with quote

Monkeynutz wrote:
What's going to excite you more when you open the garage door on a Saturday morning?


Summed it up for any potential buyer worship

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d get the 2011 car rather than an early Gen 2.
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