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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind I have it sorted - fuse 15 blown which when replaced has sorted all lights.

Happy days. Just two drive shaft boots to replace and back into MOT station.

Fun of owning the older cars!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just realised that I never got around to detailing the next instalments of this overhaul. As I have just done a little more it’s time to get caught up. Cricket is rained off today so I guess it’s a good time to get to it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So after 8 years of ownership (and a lot of oil leaks in that time) the annual service showed things were going down hill and the time was right to dive in and rebuild the engine. Now it should be said that sealing the leaks was the only real concern as the motor was still pulling well but fresh paint being covered in warm oil just didn’t sit well with me.
Anyone who has done a rebuild knows how this is going to go, an estimate is given and once you’re started the ‘while you’re in there’ list of jobs increasingly grows. Well I’m happy to say my rebuild is no different and day one of the build blew the budget out of the water! Heat exchanger on near side was completely shot. eBay to the rescue a very good used part was winging its way to me.
And so the work begins! Surprised Mechanic





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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The strip down revealed lots more additional items, the first being the heat exchanger. The used part from eBay arrived and was in excellent condition, I should have taken a photo but missing doing this. Tin ware was as expected in a poor state in places. Picking through the rust we rescued what we could and ordered in lots of new bits. Old tin was sent out for a gentle blasting and new powder coat. ££££££££’s rising all the time!
I had spent a few years considering this rebuild and seen many inspiring builds. Once committed to it trying to decide how deep to go can be a bit stressful. Go big and extend to 3.8, bling the thing, subtle refresh or just plain reseal. I decided that I would try to keep it looking stock (ish) but give it a light improvement just so it was obvious that some work had been done. Clearly the wallet would be taking another hammering.





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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thomas, I just tripped over your thread today... Boy that is some journey you have undertaken, I am full of admiration for all involved having done a fair bit of that myself on my own cars over the years, these days if I was fortunate enough to find a 964 or 993 I could afford, I would be very surprised if it did not have all the issues that you discovered. I suspect most air cooled cars will have suffered similarly by this time. I also suspect many of them would have been repaired using the usual rub down, perhaps some anti-rust treatment, a bit of filler and a coat of shiny paint, and for extra gloss, with a fancy polish process applied to finish it off... though over-spray and painted rubbers tends to give the game away..?

Great that you have kept a detailed photographic record of the repair process which would give any future buyer extra confidence to value the car appropriately relative to the market at the time..should it ever be marketed.

I hope that your engine related efforts provide the hoped for returns that you so obviously deserve..

Having worked on my cars over many years I ended up buying a concours condition car by accident, a friend suggested I MUST go to see it.. and being of pretty basic construction, the amount of effort put into it was very obvious to me... The guy who built the car owned a repair and paintshop and was an enthusiast of the marque, I think he rebuilt it as a rolling display of his workmanship, he did not use it much though did manage a trip to France, but if one has put that much physical knowledge, skill and effort into creating perfection, I imagine any time you hear a stone hit the paintwork there would be an ouch factor which may or may not have induced him to sell it..?

Me..? First day it was mine I took it up an unmade road, stones flying, to get it over with in one go for I wanted to use it, and I have done so, though not enough...(-:

Matters not a jot if you just want to create your vision of perfection and maintain it as such...whatever.. I take my hat of to you, I admit that I smiled when I saw a pic of you sitting in your beautiful car, so well worth all that you had and continue to invest in it... Well done sir and thanks for sharing.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decisions, decisions! Just how much ‘bling’ and change to bring to the build? A bit of plating was an obvious choice to lift the tired looking fixings and fastenings. A bucket of bits were sent off and the returned parts look spot on. Here’s a taster of the finish we went for.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good our kid Thumb
I have a very good relationship with my plater.
The lottery is trying to identify all the parts when the come back Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strip down complete and nothing too much to worry about. A few more shiney bits ordered, some light machine work and a bit of powder coat and we’ll be going back together



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing I had not really given much thought to prior to the build, which head studs to go for? More choice than I was expecting and fair to say a wide price range too. The ones which came out were all in decent condition and could have possibly gone back in. Like for like was a definite option as were slightly cheaper alternatives. In the end though I decided on the ARP replacements. All reviews of these studs were favourable so I took a deep breath and said yes to these shiny beauties that no-one will ever see but I know they are there. A bit of bling!




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many miles were on the engine before the strip down chum Dont know

Can't beat a red fan blade Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
How many miles were on the engine before the strip down chum Dont know

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The miles were relatively low at just 117,000ish but some serious oil leaks and several other age related issues meant it was time to dive in. Had I not had the paint done I dare say a few more years would have been no problem but I wasn’t happy with the oil film which was being deposited on the engine cover after every journey.

Red was the popular choice for the fan but I nearly went outside the box with a bright yellow!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thomas,

Are you doing the work yourself? Just wondering as I have one snapped head stud and I'm wondering whether to pay for work (our local Indie near OPC Newcastle) or do it myself? My engine has been rebuilt before so I shouldn't have to do much more than replace all the studs and fix a few leaks - he said optimistically.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Bacchus wrote:
Hi Thomas,

Are you doing the work yourself? Just wondering as I have one snapped head stud and I'm wondering whether to pay for work (our local Indie near OPC Newcastle) or do it myself? My engine has been rebuilt before so I shouldn't have to do much more than replace all the studs and fix a few leaks - he said optimistically.

Cheers
Steve


Hi Steve, anyone who knows me and spanner’s knows that this work is beyond my apprentice abilities. D&G are the fellas looking after my car nowadays and I would have no hesitation in recommending them, good rates and easy to work with.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thomas,

Thanks. Its is indeed D&G who have quoted me for the work, they found the snapped stud during my last service, bit of a theme there!

I'm conflicted with the 'do it myself but don't have the time' versus 'pay D&G but I know I could do it myself' - I think I know the answer.

I don't suppose you (or anyone) knows if you have to split the brake/hydraulic circuit to get the engine out. That circuit is my least favourite thing about C4s, allegedly needing the mythical Bosch Hammer to go anywhere near it.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,

If you have the time and the knowledge/skills then probably something to fill the winter nights with. Unfortunately I have little of either and my garage barely fits the car in so scuppered on all fronts when considering much DIY.

Not sure on the brake system, although I seem to remember reading that the clutch is somehow connected to the C4 brake system and I guess that would all need to be disconnected to remove the engine so it may well be that you’d need to split it. I agree it seems to be a complicated system and not something I would go near without some training.

As I get older I am less inclined to risk pulling something apart which I could ruin. Especially as these cars are becoming harder to work on without breaking something due to rusted/seized bolts and fasteners. That and the cost implications if you get it wrong.

All that said I do still dive in if I feel it’s within my skill level.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thomas,

Greta to seeing you moving forward with your project. ARP studs are well recommended, Nick Fulljames put a heavy duty set in mine and he knows a thing or two about air/oil-cooled engines.

Bet you can't wait to get it all boxed up again. thumbsup

Cheers,
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Looking forward to seeing this engine build pal. You won’t regret any dollars spent on it Bandit You’ll kick yourself later if you do Pop Corn
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moving swiftly along and the boys made great progress once all the parts landed in the workshop. All powder coated and new bits of tinware, plated bits and bobs, new bolts, blasted and machined casings and all manner of other things which I would never have even thought about.
The cylinders were in very good condition with virtually no wear, they must be made of strong stuff! No photos of them cleaned up unfortunately!
Anyway now for the bits!





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