Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:35 pm Post subject: Nine Excellence and my 997.1 Turbo
Evening,
I've been meaning to do this for a while but I’d like to share my experience of buying from 9e and my 997.1 Turbo ownership so far.
After the disappointment of my C4S ownership I bought a Black 997.1 Turbo with about 30K miles and interior carbon pack from 9e back in June 2015. This was before 9e were selling cars in the capacity they are now but I jumped at a chance to buy from them given their reputation for building fast cars. I’ve always wanted a 911 Turbo and what I really like about the 996 and 997 platform is there so much you can do to their looks and engines to make these cars your own.
The car was previously looked after by 9e who were selling it on behalf of one of their customers. The car did not come with a warranty but I was assured it would be thoroughly checked, serviced and detailed.
The car also already had 9e’s stage 2 package which included a new Europipe exhaust, light weight flywheel, short shifter, upgraded clutch and a remap. After a short test drive with Adam I was blown away by its performance and I left a deposit with Ken that evening. We arranged a collection date and I impatiently waited for the collection date.
On collection the car was prepped and cleanly presented as promised. Ken took the time to take me through the car and went through all the mods and explained how I could build on them should I want more performance later.
In the two and a half years of ownership I can honestly say the car has been faultless with not a single issue. I'm really happy with the car which has not cost me anything.
Recently I have been thinking about extracting more power from the car, I've had many chats with Ken as to which direction I should take over the past few months. We decided on their 9e28 package with Do88 intercoolers and GT2RS hybrid VTGs. Ken explained how the package works and explained their philosophy to making their cars both fast but more importantly reliable by using their extensively tried and trusted packages.
Other tuners run meth and while their performance numbers are impressive the risks are much higher and I did not want to risk my engine simply for headline grabbing figures. Ken explained how his customers can do run after run at events with zero issues. That being understood Ken ordered the parts, I dropped off the car and work began….
Some pictures courtesy of 9e of the Do88 intercoolers being fitted.
And the GT2RS hybrid VTGs
I also wanted the car the car lowered but despite us placing an order with Bilstein for their damptronics setup and waiting 10 months they gave us no definitive ETA on delivery. As a temporary solution we went Eibach lowering springs until we get the damptronics so I could retain the PASM and DSC module.
To say I am happy with the car is an understatement, I tested it yesterday and it just unbelievable the way it picks up speed… the performance increases are night and day different to was already a much faster car than a standard 997 turbo. I did think the turbo lag would be worse but I do not notice much difference. I am blown away on how smooth the power delivery is. On my 2hrs test drive yesterday there appears to be no compromises as a result of the upgrade. The car’s intake temperatures barely move between during spirited runs thanks to those Do88 intercoolers which are significantly better than the ones fitted to a GT2RS.
In addition I asked Ken to install another map on the car so I could run it on race fuel. Ken provided me with a device that allows me to change the map myself when running on 109 octane fuel. Their other customers have experienced gains of 100 wheel horse power with this map which lowers the 0-300 times to about 20 seconds
Next things on the list are the carbon folding buckets and the Bilstein Damptronics but both are proving hard to find. Until then I am just enjoying what is just an amazing car.
I just wanted to say a BIG thank you to Ken and his team for an amazing buying experience and after sales care. If you have not had a chance to see their new showroom or if you are considering performance upgrades it is well worth the trip. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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HSC911 Long Beach
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Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:46 pm Post subject:
Maxie Yas Marina
Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 8386 Location: London
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:55 pm Post subject:
Very nice write-up, Appollo! Did you also change the alloys whilst you were at it? I prefer the 997 originals on the Turbo if not the Turbo II's but each to their own.
~ Maxie _________________ Currently Porscheless, 2018 BMW 640d M Sport +
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 pm Post subject:
Maxie wrote:
Very nice write-up, Appollo! Did you also change the alloys whilst you were at it? I prefer the 997 originals on the Turbo if not the Turbo II's but each to their own.
~ Maxie
Cheers Maxie, I did yes. I bought a set of OEM GT2 wheels because I had the Turbo originals on my C4S and was over them and fancied a change. They came in black and were recently refurbished by exel wheels and because were in perfect condition I did not want to change them but I will probably live with them for a bit and get them changed to anthracite or something later this year. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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ragpicker Reims
Joined: 14 Apr 2013 Posts: 4031 Location: North East England
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:37 am Post subject:
Cracking review and lovely car!
Ken and the 9e guys really know their coconuts and are always generous with their knowledge. I was only reading some old posts from ken yesterday actually.
Great choice of car/ mods/ tuner......nice work _________________ 2012 997.2 Turbo S - ES650
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:52 am Post subject:
ragpicker wrote:
Cracking review and lovely car!
Ken and the 9e guys really know their coconuts and are always generous with their knowledge. I was only reading some old posts from ken yesterday actually.
Health to enjoy!
Cheers mate they really do and the other thing is you are not ltd to the off the shelf stuff they have either, they really cater to your specific requirements like track days etc. I am really looking forward to getting the DSC model turned by them once we get the suspension sorted out. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:52 am Post subject:
maph wrote:
Great choice of car/ mods/ tuner......nice work
Thanks a bunch, you have an amazing looking car too BTW
Will update this thread once I have run it on race fuel _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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jotaking Hockenheim
Joined: 01 Jun 2012 Posts: 647
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:07 am Post subject:
That is a serious bit of kit!
Lowering the car really gives it some menace!
Are the GT2RS turbo's made by Porsche? And, why are they hybrid? Is that because of the VTG?
What sort of power and 0-60 do you expect with this package?
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:34 am Post subject:
jotaking wrote:
That is a serious bit of kit!
Lowering the car really gives it some menace!
Are the GT2RS turbo's made by Porsche? And, why are they hybrid? Is that because of the VTG?
What sort of power and 0-60 do you expect with this package?
Thanks so much, I think they are proper GT2RS turbo's with 9e's proprietary turbines (which are bigger and have their own design) but I am not 100% sure.
In terms of power 9e do not run their cars on dyno's and prefer real world VBOX resting. Mine makes about 612WHP (Wheel Horse Power) on normal fuel and another 100WHP on race fuel.
I think IMIA's 9e28 on race fuel does 0-60 in around 3.1-3.2 seconds which is pretty good considering our cars have manual gearboxes and no launch control.
He has had LOADS of experience and practice though it will be a while before i can get those times
The nice thing about this setup with intercoolers is the intake temperatures remain consistent as the car gathers speed which I do not believe is the case with the GT2RS intercoolers. _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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Swampy Monza
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:53 am Post subject:
Looks like a stunning car, well done _________________ Swamped By Swampy
jotaking Hockenheim
Joined: 01 Jun 2012 Posts: 647
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:03 pm Post subject:
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I think IMIA's 9e28 on race fuel does 0-60 in around 3.1-3.2 seconds which is pretty good considering our cars have manual gearboxes and no launch control.
He has had LOADS of experience and practice though it will be a while before i can get those times
1st gear comes around too quick in my stock 997.1 T. You'll need feet like Michael Flatley to get away cleanly in that!!
apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject:
Swampy wrote:
Looks like a stunning car, well done
Thanks Swampy, it actually was a tough choice between doing this mod and selling it for a 991 Turbo Ken had in stock.. really happy with this _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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911tom Watkins Glen
Joined: 22 May 2012 Posts: 2049 Location: Buckinghamshire
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject:
That is fantastic! Wish I had fitted the do88 coolers. Seem to be the preferred choice now. FYI on 0 - 60 times a lot of the 9e packages will not focus on 0 - 60 specifically. Especially when you get very high up in power. 60 to 120 is more relevant. _________________ 996 Turbo - Link to my 3.8L turbo build thread
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apollokre1d Paul Ricard
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 pm Post subject:
Cheers Tom, the do88 do cost a fair bit more but are worth it plus at least if I ever want more power later I don't have to change them _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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Ken and the 9e packages are 100% reliable, ask me how i know ! The ethos is not to run everything at 100% as this will lean toward issues. However run at 80% and its a win win for all, both mechanically and cost !
My ethos is reliability and driveability
Just for my two pennith worth:
0-60 is not real world on a 996 or 997 without launch control. esp if you are getting big BHP
Made me giggle re Imi,,,he must had done 100s upon 100s of runs LOL
I cannot really launch hard from 1st gear, to much loss of traction, whats the point ?,,,,,have to get it moving, into 2nd and give it the beans, then hold on very tight indeed and a little prey en route ! That not to say its not quick off the line of course he he te he !
I went Protomotive custom intercoolers, but have heard nothing but good things re D088 _________________ 2002 996tt x50 manual in bassat black - 9eXX
Mezgerite Monza
Joined: 02 Nov 2016 Posts: 188
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:50 pm Post subject:
Lovely spec
The GT2RS turbos are the same as the GT2, and are also the same as .2 turbos but with a different DV location. Hybrids use larger compressor wheels together with porting.
Tom, I think your Wagner are at least equal to the DO88, we had loads of heat soak at VMAX due the but ques so it's not really a proper test
Slayer Indianapolis
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Posts: 2457 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:16 pm Post subject:
Very nice ! A video please to hear the sound track 😎 _________________ Current: 981 Cayman S with some goodies
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apollokre1d Paul Ricard
Joined: 06 Nov 2012 Posts: 3000 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject:
Mezgerite wrote:
Lovely spec
The GT2RS turbos are the same as the GT2, and are also the same as .2 turbos but with a different DV location.
Thanks so much Mezgerite, I did not know the 997.2 also used the same turbo's thanks for that
Slayer wrote:
Very nice ! A video please to hear the sound track 😎
Thank you Slayer, hehe pretty sure they sound the same but i'll see what i can do _________________ Black 997 Turbo Manual
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911tom Watkins Glen
Joined: 22 May 2012 Posts: 2049 Location: Buckinghamshire
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 6:11 pm Post subject:
Mezgerite wrote:
Tom, I think your Wagner are at least equal to the DO88, we had loads of heat soak at VMAX due the but ques so it's not really a proper test
That is reassuring Rick. Hopefully we will see an improvement next time. _________________ 996 Turbo - Link to my 3.8L turbo build thread
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