997.1 Turbo values?

Martian said:

BChivs said:

.....Take the 996T, the ugly duckling turn swan.....

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Are you smoking those funny fags again?

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BChivs said:

Boba fett said:

BChivs said:

I personally don't think the 997T will ever have a collectibility factor.....it sits in the middle of a water cooled generation with no real special attributes....just modernisation.
Take the 996T, the ugly duckling turn swan, the first water cooled Mezger, a milestone in Porsche development.....its a recipe for a classic - the 997T? Not sure I could say the same?

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Put those Stella's away :grin: :grin: :grin:

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Just my view I suppose. I personally prefer the 996. Lower stance, more mechanical feel, the little bit of lag reminds you your driving a 911T.

I was reading an article by an expert Porsche valuer that analyses for collectors, insurers, and even main dealers....it's published in the JZM newsletter.
A number of 996's all went through the RM Paris auction at record results highlighting a jump in 996 values and collector desirability.

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cheshire911 said:

Probably more accurate than inaccurate in summing up values. Investment cases are often based on ticket prices in ads. But if you have one to offload, the surprise comes when you go touting around specialists on values for your car versus another - a huge deflationary experience for many.

Offset that offer (value) versus what you have spent - this is a high maintenance car if its to be kept in tip-top shape. You might break even with a tail wind if you bought in the last 3-4 years.

Any decent Porsche specialist will put your proposed part-ex up for an inspection and find work he needs to do to prep it prior to sale. He's just softening you up for the next line - "its a great car. BUT, it needs some spend prior to sale and for me to assure a purchaser with a warranty I'd have to factor that into what I'm prepared to offer you. (So I'll offer you 80% of what you think its worth)"

Just some examples of how he will devalue your car and lower your expectations:
- After-market Double Din unit - most people want a car with the original PCM even though its dated
- Needs a front respray for the stone chips and we send them away to Porsche-approved bodyshop
- After that, it needs a full machine polish and detail for which I have ot bring in an outside guy
- The wheels are OK but we like to refurb all of them to make the car immaculate on presentation
- It needs a major service and we'd have to put a fresh 12 months MOT on it
- Its a tidy car, but its a tiptronic and so many buyers want a manual car
- Its a manual car but may need a clutch soon
- The suspension is looking tired and will require a refresh with coffin arms and geometry as its done 80k miles and there is no evidence in the history when these were refreshed
etc.

So the simple answer to 997.1 turbo values? The answer is "less than you the current owner think"

Investment value? Probably too high a volume car to be a strong contender, but could be some inherent investment value which is lower than one initially is led to believe.

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cheshire911 said:

Probably more accurate than inaccurate in summing up values. Investment cases are often based on ticket prices in ads. But if you have one to offload, the surprise comes when you go touting around specialists on values for your car versus another - a huge deflationary experience for many.

Offset that offer (value) versus what you have spent - this is a high maintenance car if its to be kept in tip-top shape. You might break even with a tail wind if you bought in the last 3-4 years.

Any decent Porsche specialist will put your proposed part-ex up for an inspection and find work he needs to do to prep it prior to sale. He's just softening you up for the next line - "its a great car. BUT, it needs some spend prior to sale and for me to assure a purchaser with a warranty I'd have to factor that into what I'm prepared to offer you. (So I'll offer you 80% of what you think its worth)"

Just some examples of how he will devalue your car and lower your expectations:
- After-market Double Din unit - most people want a car with the original PCM even though its dated
- Needs a front respray for the stone chips and we send them away to Porsche-approved bodyshop
- After that, it needs a full machine polish and detail for which I have ot bring in an outside guy
- The wheels are OK but we like to refurb all of them to make the car immaculate on presentation
- It needs a major service and we'd have to put a fresh 12 months MOT on it
- Its a tidy car, but its a tiptronic and so many buyers want a manual car
- Its a manual car but may need a clutch soon
- The suspension is looking tired and will require a refresh with coffin arms and geometry as its done 80k miles and there is no evidence in the history when these were refreshed
etc.

So the simple answer to 997.1 turbo values? The answer is "less than you the current owner think"

Investment value? Probably too high a volume car to be a strong contender, but could be some inherent investment value which is lower than one initially is led to believe.

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cheshire911 said:

The reason 996 (and in particular the Turbo) prices have risen is - because it is today, even still a very good car and a performance bargain. That's it.

Who said it wasn't? I own a 996 Turbo! But the fact is people still want a 996 Turbo. I would not 'upgrade' from mine to a 997.1 Turbo - not enough in it to justify cost of change. A 997.2 PDK Turbo or a Turbo S? Now that's different.

But remember this is a thread on values - so my answer to the question about 997 Turbo values remains - "not as much as you think"
Try offloading it and touting it around dealers and witness how expectations for value are managed downwards.

PS Have you diagnosed and sorted the issue with your gearbox/diff/clutch or whatever it was found to be in the end?

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however I know a 997 will be the sought after model.

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Boba fett said:

cheshire911 said:

however I know a 997 will be the sought after model.

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Certainly for you, maybe not for some. Its down to preference and choices. There is no right or wrong - its preference and choices.

such a shame you feel the need to mention it (your issues) on every post

Every post? Which posts? Are you sure of your facts Boba or is this a case of shooting from the hip?

I was endorsing the concern by others to that thread who said they hope you get it sorted soon. It was a signal of empathy and curiosity to understand what had caused it. That way, if it happens to me, I might have a starter for 10 where to look. However, you seem to see it differently.

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You are a veteran poster, you know what you do, I have a very fair and open post of my cars issues, and you have read it - mention your sorrows there.

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T8 said:

Please stop it you two :cop:

This isn't PH. :judge:

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