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spongebob squarepants
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Chris W said:
Yep this was the second GR 993, owned for no ore than a few weeks :grin:
Stale socks, cramped interior, gears, and hated with a paaasion bys HWMBO to name but a few reasons, although for anyone looking for a 993 this one is lovely :thumb: I think I bought it harking back to my silver 993 targa, the targa roof making all the differnce IMHO.
Zingari
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jonttt said:
:hand: Depends on the point you enter the market and what the spread will be, not to forget the bell(end) price curve. But again depends what you want it for and how that 'investment' can evaporate when you run out of driving talent. Hence they are seldom driven and road use is dictated by the local met forecast that affects most owners.
Personally I wouldn't buy one now as they're too hexy for me, I've just retired 8) and there are a few other cars I want to try before I pop off. Luckily I'm not in a place where I need to make a load of dough, or necessarily tie it up in one big lump so keeping the air-cooled in the garage/storage would get in the way despite the fact they look better than they drive. And a turbo bodied 964 will take some beating. It was never considered part of my (balanced) investment portfolio. :roll:Nor have I sampled the aromatic tobacco jonttt must smoke to evoke such emotions. I've asked but apparently it's a mysterious blend of aromatic herbs and spices from an ancient recipe known only to the eunuch's of the Khasbar.
People will still want to experience them and that will dictate prices and can't disagree they're a good investment along with some other classics. Ok I made some dough enjoyed the experience of ownership and turning an average condition car, despite its provenance, into a very good one - the latter bit I enjoyed the most. The new custodian gets a good car and should go on to make a wedge if/when they decide to sell:thumb:
jonttt
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tim993 said:
:hand: rarity will always dictate desirablility, so a rare version of an already relatively rare car will always command a premium ie the wide body versions. Add to that the fact the 2S and 4S offer the benefit of the wide hips without the massive rear spoiler spoiling the lines ...... . The 4S will always be more desirable than the 2S in RHD form as they are rarer still yet offer desirable upgrades eg full leather and the classic turbo red brakes etc....
For those reason the gap between WB and NB 993's will only get wider not closer together :bandit:
Wide body cars have pulled away value wise in the past few years. Moving forward I think the factors driving values forward will be mileage and condition. Parts for these cars aren't getting cheaper and as all these cars move past their 20th birthday need for spending just increases.
If you have an unloved C4S, high miles, lacking history and requiring lots of spending on the mechanicals, interior and cosmetics, is it really worth more than say a manual C4 cab?
It's key to remember the part age plays with these cars. I know the owners of what are likely some of the best 993's in the UK. Both cars improved upon by their owners to a wallet shrivelling level.
Yet there is always money needing to be spent. Much like an A list Hollywood actor with access to the best diet, exercise and surgery, you can stave the aging process off, but it's still going to happen.
Passing an MOT would give me no succour whatsoever. If your car can pass unscathed through an inspection by someone who really knows what they are looking at, you can bust open the Veuve.
Otherwise, don't kid yourself.
If you have an unloved C4S, high miles, lacking history and requiring lots of spending on the mechanicals, interior and cosmetics, is it really worth more than say a manual C4 cab?
It's key to remember the part age plays with these cars. I know the owners of what are likely some of the best 993's in the UK. Both cars improved upon by their owners to a wallet shrivelling level.
Yet there is always money needing to be spent. Much like an A list Hollywood actor with access to the best diet, exercise and surgery, you can stave the aging process off, but it's still going to happen.
Passing an MOT would give me no succour whatsoever. If your car can pass unscathed through an inspection by someone who really knows what they are looking at, you can bust open the Veuve.
Otherwise, don't kid yourself.
pierrebear
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Zingari said:
A nationwide tour of "Hmmm...25 bags, methinks?" - you're not selling it to me, Zingers! :hand: :floor:
There's not much in it between the numbers of each model sold in the UK and with the passage of time I'd expect the differences to have evened out a bit with more non-S cars now departed / repurposed than S models simply as the wide body cars have been more coveted for a long time now. For sure some folk really like the look. Anyhow, today I'd expect numbers to have evened out a bit.
When using the term 'rare', IMHO I think it applies to cars like the 993 RS or turbo S which really were sold in numbers that are a small fraction of those of the other models. But even then you are looking at cars that differ materially in mechanical specification from the regular models; so its rather a different ball game.
Anyhow, a simple suggestion to anyone looking for a 993 is to favour the ones that have had the money lavished on them over the years and with the right specialists (which in some cases includes the owners - as some like Jackal are very gifted mechanics). Furthermore, as you will spend more time inside driving the car than staring at it on the drive (I hope) then a particularly lavishly specified original interior in a colour combination that appeals to you is in itself worth seeking out.
Obviously I like wide body cars too - just preferably with a couple of turbos and an inter-cooler stuffer in the rear as well.
When using the term 'rare', IMHO I think it applies to cars like the 993 RS or turbo S which really were sold in numbers that are a small fraction of those of the other models. But even then you are looking at cars that differ materially in mechanical specification from the regular models; so its rather a different ball game.
Anyhow, a simple suggestion to anyone looking for a 993 is to favour the ones that have had the money lavished on them over the years and with the right specialists (which in some cases includes the owners - as some like Jackal are very gifted mechanics). Furthermore, as you will spend more time inside driving the car than staring at it on the drive (I hope) then a particularly lavishly specified original interior in a colour combination that appeals to you is in itself worth seeking out.
Obviously I like wide body cars too - just preferably with a couple of turbos and an inter-cooler stuffer in the rear as well.
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4s are rare in RHD, it's why you only ever see a few up for sale in a year and they invariably sell very quickly.
I still think as prices rise on these cars condition can be less important. It's more about rareness and mileage as throwing £10k plus at a car is much less of an issue therefore WB will retain the premium.
I still think as prices rise on these cars condition can be less important. It's more about rareness and mileage as throwing £10k plus at a car is much less of an issue therefore WB will retain the premium.
T8 said:Palladium said:
They might have made thousands but how many good ones are left :?:
Ford made thousands of Capris but you have to pay silly money to get a good one today.
very true
using the hagerty price guide, i am seeing 3.2s at 45k to 49k, this would suggest that these cars are beyond excellent in condition, excellent being 43k, excellent means just that 'excellent in every detail'
well quite frankly i am seeing cars at this price tag that are either 'good' or even 'fair to good'
people need to wake up and reeducate themselves on what conditions really are and the corresponding price they are really worth,
excellent doesnt mean, rust bubbles, oil leaks, split seats, dubious service history and broken electics.
a true excellent car is actually good value.
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