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jotaking
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some great Ferrari Info Cheshire 911! Thumb

Do you have a Ferrari?

Ferrari are the ultimate and have always been on my bucket list.

I have never looked into ownership due to the eye-watering running costs!!

Maybe one day when the kids have left home and I downsize to a bed sit??
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
Those cars you describe as being in two halves might have been old models.
They were designed for the bodywork to lift away for ease of access to engine and are not as labour intensive as they appear. Modern cars also have parts of the bodywork that lifts off for access. Its as if Porsche might have designed the 911 for the rear end to split away for access to engine instead of dropping the engine from underneath.


They were indeed older models ... the entire rear end was off to access what was presumably the gearbox and the clutch: the whole engine, rear axle/wheels/suspension, bodywork, the lot, as one piece. I haven't seen cars in that sort of shape outside a race workshop. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious that you described them as "not engineered (or was it designed?) to be worked upon!"

Labour time is remarkably low for many jobs due to the ease of access by unhinging bodywork from tubular chassis. It is the Ferrari track experience at play. Even cambelts described as engine out jobs is not as big a job as one might think due to the way that access is created in a labour-efficient manner.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
Curious that you described them as "not engineered (or was it designed?) to be worked upon!"

Labour time is remarkably low for many jobs due to the ease of access by unhinging bodywork from tubular chassis. It is the Ferrari track experience at play. Even cambelts described as engine out jobs is not as big a job as one might think due to the way that access is created in a labour-efficient manner.


It wasn't me, I was just quoting the garagiste who was standing next to me ogling large chunks of Ferrari in a mixture of fear and awe. Anyway, if that's true, then I've learned something valuable. Thumb It just goes to show, I'm no Ferrari 'tribe member'.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a 430 over a 350/360 any day.

Still not brilliant build quality when used as a daily but I have fond memories of c30k miles in mine c10 years ago now.

I agree that Ferraris do attract a unique form of abuse from the jealous types which Porsches generally do not. If your into cars and have never owned a ferrari you will always regret it though Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was knackered after I had abused it for 30k Grin

Re the F1 box, in the 430 I thought it was superb, brutal and great fun. The reason I love my boxster GTS sooo much is its the closest thing I've owned with the same fun to drive and its a fraction of the cost new (although I could have now got a used 430 for not much more) Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you get the itch you really must scratch it Very Happy
 



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

430 Scud - Yes Chimp, YES!! Thumb

OP, if your looking for a 360, now is the time, the market is soft.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chimp911 wrote:
Once you get the itch you really must scratch it Very Happy


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P911X50
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your advice and comments.

I managed to get test drive a 430 and it was fab, the noise the sensation. I was mulling it over, but it meant that I would have to sell the 996tt X50.

However, I also drove a friends Nissan GTR for the day (London to Birmingham and back) and it took my breath away. It was a standard 2011 530bhp in blue. The way it accelerated, braked and took corners was astounding. I really had to reel myself in (friends car and all), but it kept telling to push and push.

There was no doubt that it would destroy a 430 in a heartbeat. You could also add another 120bhp (to 650bhp) for not a lot of cash. My friend had his for 4 years and takes it to track two or three times a year and finds it very reliable.

I am now saving all my pennies and hoping to get one in six months. thumbsup thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a great car. The only thing is it isn't a Ferrari! Right now prices for Ferrari 360 have 'softened' in the last 12 months giving you an opportunity to get a Ferrari. Ferrari controls the market for new cars that helps residuals over the years. No idea about a GTR though.

Two very different cars. Each with a uniqueness of its own.

Let us know when you get the GTR. Johhnydangerouse on here has one but I don't think he is contactable by PM.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its always been a dream to one day own a Ferrari, every time I get near there just that bit to far away to afford, enjoyed the reading the thread.
Maybe one day will cash my pension in for one Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to wait to cash in a pension. Prices have softened in the last 12 months. Sellers who are realistic with prices will sell their car quickly. Prices may soften further - but that's a gaze into a crystal ball.

The market is very different than Porsche - fewer cars, priced such that they cannot be bought by guys who have a Fiesta or Mondeo budget but not the funds to service to schedule. Still Ferrari cars need an inspection and best purchased from a specialist that knows the marque.

Join the Ferrari forum on PH's to get the lowdown on sourcing and ownership costs. The sound of the V8 as it hits 7.5k and then crackles and pops on the over-run are intoxicating.
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