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My 964 experience..

Small update.

Sadly I've not driven the car in months, mainly because I've just not had the time, Christmas, Wedding planning :roll: , fitting a turbo to my MX5 and I haven't completed the Gtechniq Crystal Serum coating so I can't use the car until I have as it will require cleaning again.. I'll do that soon as I'm dying to drive it, although the roads are far too filthy so I'm not feeling too bad.

It did come out briefly for a family photo

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Thanks to Chris and him tackling his rear lights, he inspired me to make a start on mine, a nice job to do in the warmth of home.

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Really not difficult, just takes some time. I did one at a time and put them in the oven at 100 degrees (fan) for about 10 mins, sometimes I did need to pop them back in. It doesn't melt the glue as I expected, heating them just makes the glue more brittle. Using a knife and screwdriver helps separate the lens from the body, once off, you just need to clean the surfaces of old glue.

I was trying to get the lens off in 1 piece for some reason, then I realised it doesn't matter, which made life easier.

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I found that my lights were different, one had a plastic grill and the other was metal and this had ages, so a quick rub down and spritz with satin black sorted that.

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As the grills were out, I polished the lenses up to a shine and cleaned out the housings.

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Once done, just built back up. I need to order some glue then I can do the important bit of sticking the new ones on!

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Thanks Chris!

Glue arrived, so I wrapped this job up! Now I just need to sort the centre light out.

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Cracking work there Mark! I should have dismantled my lights further and cleaned :wack:

Turbo on the MX sounds a laugh :) about 7 years ago we fitted a SC to my Bros 1.8, a track dog front mount cooler and a standalone ECU. Went well!

Enjoy :)

Chris
 
Ha, they kind of fell apart so while out, just gave them a clean up.

The MX is by far the most fun I've had with a car, love it, nearly done with the turbo conversion now and booked to take it to the 'ring :)

Will be back onto the 964 soon :)
 
I'm back, been very busy recently, however, I've finally made some time for the 964!

I've pretty much spent the odd few hours here and there over the last year detailing the paintwork, making sure I got rid of any swirl marks etc in order for me to apply the gtechniq crystal serum and exo. I finally finished the job and I have to say, it's looking better than ever and happy to know the paint is protected, I'm still half tempted to have the front done in PPF to fully protect it.

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Having not used it pretty much since last year and only covering 10 miles between MOT's, it was time to start using it, especially as the weather has been brilliant!

Performed a few jobs which had been on the list for a little while to start with, fitting a decat pipe which I've had sitting around for ages and getting the CCU repaired.

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First off, the CCU. My CCU never worked, none of the servo's operated at all, so no ability to choose hot/cold, windscreen, feet etc etc, so for a while, I manually moved the servos into a half way position. I tried troubleshooting it myself but was getting no where and decided that the problem had to be the CCU itself. After many many many emails with Tore of https://www.bergvillfx.com/, I sent him my CCU.

Now Tore is one of those staples of a car community, his website basically offers all the information you could need to go about fixing one of these yourself, all the troubleshooting measures, everything and all freely available to view, most people would keep this kind of info to themselves! I would! So Tore deserves great credit for this, not to mention the emails he must get, he received plenty from me over the last 2 years that's for sure and all of his replies were pretty damn comprehensive! I have no idea where else I would go for this serivce, Porsche wanted to sell me a new CCU!

In the end, I sent him my CCU, I want his expertise to source the problem and resolve it. I packaged it up and shipped it over to Norway, within a couple days, I had an email from Tore with a full report of the issues found and my options. Once I commissioned the repair work, the CCU arrived back within day, the whole job was turnt around within 10, that's the CCU leaving me and arriving back, most of those were transit!

Tore gave me some info of things to check on my car and as he suspected, one of my chamber temp sensors was also busted and as he suspected, it would be a corroded thermister! I got hold of 2 replacements and soldered these in (A ball ache of a job due to limited movement in wire length), I then put my CCU in and as if by magic, loads of crap blew out my vents from above the dash and in the foot wells!! I've never been so happy to have my interior messed up. All operations work perfectly, all servos dance and I can now modulate the cabin temperature, fantastic!

All in all, I think the repair came to £230 and I'm over the moon with that, cheaper than a dodgy second hand ebay unit which may be broken and a 5 year warranty along with an expert on the other side of an email.

I cannot recommend Tore's service enough, utterly professional and a really generous guy who is clearly helping us 964 and 993 owners world wide with wealth of information.

In my 13 years of working with cars, his service certainly stands out.

So, repaired and working CCU is in

Next was fitting the decat pipe, along with this, I wanted to change out some crusty nuts and bolts for stainless items.

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I was glad to see that Porsche had carried on tradition to the 997 from the 964 of using hardware which seems to rust like this, my 997 was the same!!

Got lucky with most but some did need cutting.

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I had a nightmare getting the lambda out so I ended up leaving that in and buying a new one for the decat.

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Would have liked to keep my heat shields in place but this will do for now.

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Now, I haven't stood outside while the car is on the move but I honestly can't tell a difference, the car still passed emissions on the MOT too. So I'm not sure if this was a waste of time but I'll reserve judgement until I hear someone drive it off.

Replace the last of the stickers

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So MOT time, wasn't nervous and rightfully so, it flew through with NO advisories other than I should use it more, so as it was bank holiday, I did.

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Took some pictures, drove it to the pub one night, this was a bad move, or maybe just my parking as I came back to the car to find some little ***** had wiped their hands all over the drivers door and window. Took it shopping and then finished the weekend by popping it down to the R20 PCGB Ace Cafe meet which was brilliant! Excellent caliber of cars and great people.

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Was slightly optimistic with this one....

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I'd love one of these!

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The tartan interior (sorry no pic) was lovely!

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That's me done for now!

Next, I need to change the centre light bar as it doesn't match the new corners. Then on to new cam and chain cover seals along with an oil change, really not sure if I should book it in somewhere for a proper service and for the stamp now the car is of some value.

Cheers
 
Looking good :thumb: A 'G-Pipe' may give you the sound you want and will complement the de-cat without being intrusive :grin:

On the gtechniq stuff. I was looking at getting some of this (Exo v3) for my new daily but wonder whether you need to remove any polish first or can you whack it straight on after a decent wash :dont know: The stuff aint cheap so I don't want to do my dough by doing it wrong :what:
 
Thanks! Yes, I've heard of this G-pipe, I'll give the car a listen and then decide on getting one, I have heard a video on the interwebs of a 964 with a G pipe and it sounded fantastic, I'm sure some of the cars last night had one as I heard them drive off. Probably a good weight saving to.

With the Gtechniq, the paint needs to be naked, I washed the car with fairy liquid and then went round a few times with panel wipe to ensure all polishes and waxes were off, that's essentially why the paintwork has to be perfectly de-swirled before applying the Gtechniq, if it's not, the Gtechniq immortilises those swirls until it wears off.

It's a worth while purchase, after seeing how my mates Alfa QV repelled water, dirt and bugs, it was a no brainer, not to mention the protection against swirl marks.

Gtechniq sell panel wipe, I'm sure there are cheaper alternatives tbh, nothing special about it.
 
I've come back to the 964 after some time, it has pretty much sat in the garage since I last used it with the occasional heat cycle and step outside.

I thought I would tackle the valve clearances, I have no idea when they were last done, the engine is a bit ticky and I want to put some fresh oil in there, mainly so I can fit my new red oil filter :)

Plan is to book her in for a service with someone, either Porsche or 9e for the sake of a stamp as the last stamp in the book was 2007, it has only done 5k miles since then and the previous owner did religious oil changes so that's not a worry but I would like some other eyes to go over it.

Anyway, I wanted to perform the valve clearances myself, it gives me a chance to further explore the engine, clean (lol) new areas and make sure they are done properly. I have done the job before on BMW M engines so I figured I can do this.

Anyway, at this point, I'm in the tear down stage, slowly removing bits, cleaning and taking my time. Thankfully, the exhaust was off in minutes thanks to the new bolts, so far, no trouble, everything has removed like new.

First up, was getting this feeler gauge, many places seem to sell it for £50 which is RIDICULOUS!!! I paid £25 and what arrived was something that should have been £4 but o well.

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Love looking at this engine, much nicer without the blower!

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Removed this lump and then the main back box.

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Need to address the rusting on the tin, it's solid so think I can save it.

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Tin removed from drivers side and this is as far as I had time to do..

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Updates shortly.....
 
Valve clearances all done, only 2 needed adjustment and to do the job without the special tool would have be near on impossible.

I'm glad I did the job, it made me realise how simple the engine is, nothing too complex about it, just an arse to access certain areas. Everything came apart perfectly and nothing unusual found along the way, always enjoy doing new jobs as it means cleaning up new areas and renewing bits.

So, on to the pics.

My work area, I left the decat pipe in place as it didn't get in the way.

Spotted a leak from here so got a new gasket and decided to fit that along with sealent.

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The view

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Here is a rocker arm, nothing complex and if you can make it this far, you'll be more than competent enough to perform the valve adjustments.

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Passenger side chain cover looking fairly dry

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Upper and lower valve covers removed

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Old plugs

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The over priced feeler gauge in action. Was pretty impressed that it wasn't overly tanned inside the engine.

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New same spec Beru Ultra plugs and passenger side tin

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Old and new

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New purolator filter fitted, waited ages to fit!

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Buttoning back up, all tin ware protected and added some heatsheilding I had laying around as the metal was starting to thin.

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Everything refitted, just under 9 litres of oil back in (I had drained this amount out)

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The runs lovely, it always did but knowing the valves are at tolerance and new oil, its good to know it's all good for dryer days.

Want to get it booked in to have a once over soon, I also need to do the gearbox fluid, I've got a new gasket and filter waiting, just need to get hold of a temperature gun.

I'd love to solve some of the leaks, one that I have found is coming from between the engine and where the rear engine mount plate bolts to it, weirdly, there isn't oil coming from the drain hole on the other side, this is between the engine and mount, would this be the crank seal? I thought if that leaks you would get oil come from the hole the other side, being blocked from site in pic 1 by the engine surround cover, any advice on that would be great.

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I should have tackled it while everything was off but it's not hard job to drop the exhaust to get at this and then support the engine.

That's it for now, just waiting for the salt to wash away from our roads and then I can take it out!
 
Brilliant thread! Really enjoyed reading it.


Really on the fence about purchasing a 964 - I've come from a supercharged (& turbo) MX5, and I'm really missing the driving experience in the 996T. I'm hoping the 964 holds a little more towards that, without being as uncomfortable.

You sure have done a great job with the paint work.. I'd be scared to drive it as I think I'd get sad every time I spot some new marks!
 
Thanks Jay

The 964 is great, it just has something about it but recently, I have realised I just don't click with newer cars, I get much more emotion and feel with my MX5, 500SL and the 964. So much so I'm not excited about an F80 M3 I plan to get (for family duties so need some refinement) and my 997. I think the 964 would be a bit better had it have been a manual but I can't complain, this one isn't about going fast. There is something about this 964, the smell, noise and looks, its perfect. You definitely feel involved with the 964, it's heavy control and small cabin all add to the experience, I recently drove a 996 and quite enjoyed that, that had a raw feeling, more so than my 997 which is dare I say, too comfortable, more on the GT side than sports car.. The 964 is more comfortable, big tyres and soft seats, typical old car.

The MX5 with added turbo has ruined every other car for me, nothing can touch it for what it can do, my mates can't believe I prefer it over the 997, M3's and other cars I've had. Puts a smile on everyones face.

Thanks, I kind of take away some of the enjoy of cars by cleaning and painting them up, I do get afraid to use them after! Shame really. Doh!!

Get a 964!! or just get another MX5 with forced induction :D
 
More sterling work there our kid!
I can't quite figure our where you are on about with that leak. It's not coming from where the power steering pump fits to the engine case is it??
 
Cheers Chief, was scared shitless of working on this car when I first got it but now it seems so simple!

I'll get a better picture but the drips/leak appear from the very rear (front?) of the engine, under the fan side.

Literally where the big rear engine mount bracket bolts to the block. I suspect crank oil seal but I know oil leaks can appear from places they haven't actually come from..

Happened to just find this pic.. The leak appears from just the other side of the black bracket seen here

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MarkGolf said:
Thanks Jay

The 964 is great, it just has something about it but recently, I have realised I just don't click with newer cars, I get much more emotion and feel with my MX5, 500SL and the 964. So much so I'm not excited about an F80 M3 I plan to get (for family duties so need some refinement) and my 997. I think the 964 would be a bit better had it have been a manual but I can't complain, this one isn't about going fast. There is something about this 964, the smell, noise and looks, its perfect. You definitely feel involved with the 964, it's heavy control and small cabin all add to the experience, I recently drove a 996 and quite enjoyed that, that had a raw feeling, more so than my 997 which is dare I say, too comfortable, more on the GT side than sports car.. The 964 is more comfortable, big tyres and soft seats, typical old car.

The MX5 with added turbo has ruined every other car for me, nothing can touch it for what it can do, my mates can't believe I prefer it over the 997, M3's and other cars I've had. Puts a smile on everyones face.

Thanks, I kind of take away some of the enjoy of cars by cleaning and painting them up, I do get afraid to use them after! Shame really. Doh!!

Get a 964!! or just get another MX5 with forced induction :D

What a horrible place to be in, huh! Haha.

I agree though - I don't enjoy driving the 996T more than I did my little Mx. I'm fairly sure I will get another one, but maybe as a third car. I don't have many commitments at the moment (no mortgage, family etc) so I feel I should take advantage of the disposable income whilst I can!

The 'raw' side of the 964 is really what I'm hoping to achieve. Something I can drive to work and not feel too drained, whilst being able to still drive around the twisties smiling to myself.

I've become too accustomed to Air Con, especially on the European road trips, that I'm worried I might miss it too much!
 
A lot of 964's have air-con. Mine blows lovely and cold when needed
 
I'd give that whole area a real good clean with some brake cleaner. Then keep an eye on it. There is a lot of turbulance under there which can move oil in odd ways. You might even find that it's the oil pressure sender that's leaking and working its way down there....
 

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