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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick update.... ES responded saying they wouldn't map an NA car as they specialise in Turbo's and haven't ran the R&D on NA models to be confident in doing it. 9E have dropped their price down to £995+VAT so less expensive but still the most although they do have the car in for a few days doing real world VBox tuning rather than putting on a dyno for a few hours.

Hmmmm.... still undecided.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9e and ES do not use dynos as far as I know and there must be reasons why.

Would not be risking my engine for a few hundred quid and would still take it to 9e, at least you know your car is in good hands and you are more likely to get real world results.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is where I'm starting to lean....
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikee Quickstep wrote:
that is where I'm starting to lean....


Mike, the 9e option does sound very interesting and is only a few hundred quid more. If you go that way please put up a review thread as I might well follow you and try it instead of my regal remap thats on it now. regal managed to get my 997.2 just over 400bhp but thats with a full cargraphic sports exhaust and a GT3 throttle body. I have since then done a bit to the induction etc so would expect to be running a few BHP more than that now, but my target is to get just over the 408BHP the GTS has. Thumb

But as already mentioned its also about the delivery power in the low/mid range as all the changes actually only gave me 17/20 BHP total considering the cost of those things if you were chasing max bhp you would probably be disapointed. But as a daily driven road car it is for me much more about the improvements in the power curve and the gains lower down in the range. Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikee Quickstep wrote:
they do have the car in for a few days doing real world VBox tuning rather than putting on a dyno for a few hours.

Hmmmm.... still undecided.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been mentioned we don't use dynos but prefer to run on the road and get some real world conditions.

Last month we did 997c2s with full kline exhaust system, large intake and TB and stock was 317whp. You can see the results afterwards. But it does take multiple runs and we work hard on the partial load/non flat gradient driveability that you tend to not get on a flat dyno.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have had a bad experience with DMS. My car made good numbers on their dyno but was much faster after Unicorn mapped it and on the unicorn dyno it was showing 100hp less!

As for tuning N/A cars it is and expensive game with very small gains. Exhaust, intake, throttle bodies is the easy bit. Then you get in to cams, flowing heads LWFW... A lot of cash to spend for a maximum 10% gain in power. Gets to the point where you are better off buying a faster car.

If I was in your position I would go to 9e. Or more likely sell and buy a turbo.... If the latter is not an option slap on a supercharger Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just know the next question is going to be about asking Ken about a group buy for remaps Grin Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:
As for tuning N/A cars it is and expensive game with very small gains. Exhaust, intake, throttle bodies is the easy bit. Then you get in to cams, flowing heads LWFW... A lot of cash to spend for a maximum 10% gain in power. Gets to the point where you are better off buying a faster car.

If I was in your position I would go to 9e. Or more likely sell and buy a turbo.... If the latter is not an option slap on a supercharger Very Happy


Depends which way you look at it doesn't it. I personally wouldn't want a turbo, I much prefer the driving experience of an NA car. Dream car is a GT3 but I ain't got GT3 money (yet Grin ) so in the mean time, spending a bit of money to get a bit more enjoyment out of what I've got is not only the only viable option but also a decent one when you consider it would be an extra 10k for a 997.2 which is pretty much the only other option.

I've also now through general ownership replaced the clutch, IMS bearing, engine mounts, plugs, coils, battery, battery leads, air con condensers, brake pads, discs and then uprated brake hoses, LTT thermometer, millers in both engine and diff, SSK, BMC air filter / induction kit and fitted a full Kline exhaust so I know the car in it's current state is tip top which I wouldn't get if I got rid of my car and got a new one ... an extra 1k or there abouts to improve the drive ability in that context isn't bad value for money...

Yeah group buy on the 9e tuning would do me nicely Very Happy Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to think remapping a NA car is more about improving its drivability and smoothness rather than an outright power hike.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KJD wrote:
I tend to think remapping a NA car is more about improving its drivability and smoothness rather than an outright power hike.
Totally agree. You have to be realistic about power increases - if you can get 20whp then that is an excellent result but it takes a lot and for me it is about the overall power curve, not just getting an extra 20whp for 1000rpm.

That car in the chart also had LWFW fitted.

There are lots of other things like suspension that can be done that improve the driving of the car.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speak to Unicorn and 9e. Between them there is no better software and tuning talent when it comes to Porsche. They won't hand out ridiculous comedy figures but you will be the quickest on the strip.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All sounds really good, let us know how you get on at 9e!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So went to see Ken at 9e, here are the before and after graphs, second one showing a steeper and higher power curve earlier in the Rev range. Picking it up on Saturday so will post again when I’ve driven it and let you know what I think but so far looks in line with what I was expecting to see!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make that the after and before graphs! Loaded pics the wrong way around frustrated
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and NB the before graph is with a full Kline exhaust fitted, when we ran without the exhaust last year whp was at 311 for reference.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikee Quickstep wrote:
Oh and NB the before graph is with a full Kline exhaust fitted, when we ran without the exhaust last year whp was at 311 for reference.


Looks good if I am seeing it right you started with about 5% down on new which is to be expected and not as bad as it could be, and you have ended up getting that back plus another 5% ish so around 10% gain and an improved power curve in the low/mid very much as you would expect and nice to see real not inflated numbers .Have you got a gt3 throttle body/plen or/and BMC sports filter induction as well Question
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No don’t forget that’s whp so x by. 1.14 give or take to get bhp so started with 361 and finished with 382 Smile vs stock of 355
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Didn’t go for the TB / plenum but have got the BMC filter
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No don’t forget that’s whp so x by. 1.14 give or take to get bhp so started with 361 and finished with 382 Smile vs stock of 355


Oh yes of course it is, so the Kline full exhaust had replaced any age lost BHP plus added 6bhp and the remap added another 27 BHP which is around 7.5% gain but in reality when you allow for age related lost BHP its probably more like 10/12% .very good and very realistic and thats without the GT3 throttle body/plen
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