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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steering Wheel & Gearknob are OEM RS. Door Cards are also RS although I did miss the armrests and storage bins. The car has also been painted too. Wink

If anyone is genuinely interested then I can PM the original P registration as well as my PP which were both on the car.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a nice car and good to see JZM trading them with choice changes to original spec.

Cableguy what was the approx mileage and year you sold it ?

Have JZM been in touch with you as they are obviously aware of this thread ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without going through my files I can't be exact, however looking back at my posts on the forum it was 2010, so sold late 2010/early 2011. Mileage when I sold it was pushing 70k.

JZM have not made contact.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cableguy wrote:
If anyone is genuinely interested then I can PM the original P registration as well as my PP which were both on the car.

C.


Given it's current 'inderterminable state' I'd take a punt. For my usual price mind you Hand
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cableguy wrote:
Without going through my files I can't be exact, however looking back at my posts on the forum it was 2010, so sold late 2010/early 2011. Mileage when I sold it was pushing 70k.

JZM have not made contact.

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Am I missing something here? Wouldn’t an MOT history check throw up the discrepancy in mileage? Mine goes back to 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was looking for a car i travelled and saw lots of 993’s advertised. That’s when I realised terms like ‘immaculate’ and ‘full service history’ were in fact subjective rather than statements of fact. From memory, every car I looked at bar one and the car I bought, had missing service history. A year or two with no evidence of annual service and perhaps an unquantifiable story about how it was laid up, barely used for.. xxxx or taken abroad for a period. A fair few cars had a stamp in the book but no corresponding invoice. This was the norm rather than exception. Finding total, from day one, provenance which has been kept and passed on between owners for 20 years plus is uncommon.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call re the MOT History. According to this it had 56k in July 2010 & 57k in August 2011 based on it original plate number.
Listed as a Purple Porsche 911, LPG Powered and Registered 31st Dec 1997.
Reads like the right car with the exception of the Fuel type?

I think it's only fair I don't post the plate number unless JZM confirm otherwise.

For any interested buyers, it was a great car that had been looked after and maintained correctly.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albionmuz wrote:
cableguy wrote:
Without going through my files I can't be exact, however looking back at my posts on the forum it was 2010, so sold late 2010/early 2011. Mileage when I sold it was pushing 70k.

JZM have not made contact.

C.


Am I missing something here? Wouldn’t an MOT history check throw up the discrepancy in mileage? Mine goes back to 2006


Any number of ways in between MOT’s to hide the true mileage travelled in the year eg swap speedo for another and then put original back in, simply disconnect the speedo by cable or switch, etc.....

Nb this can be done to any car even modern ones but its a bit more hassle now as you have to have them “reprogrammed” so its most common in a cars early life ie lots have 2 year service intervals now and so a car can rack up eg 50k miles and be “knocked back” to say 20k in line with a PCP lease etc..... Why do you think there are so many new Fords / Mercs running around as UBERs Wink
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In the '80s I knew a chap who used to have his works van rigged up to a Meccano electic motor in the garage to move it on so he could 'claim' the additional petrol Rolling Eyes The hamsters were too getting too expensive when petrol was £1.50 a gallon

Jacob's cream crackers are very good at getting rid of the 4* aftertaste what
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
Albionmuz wrote:
cableguy wrote:
Without going through my files I can't be exact, however looking back at my posts on the forum it was 2010, so sold late 2010/early 2011. Mileage when I sold it was pushing 70k.

JZM have not made contact.

C.


Am I missing something here? Wouldn’t an MOT history check throw up the discrepancy in mileage? Mine goes back to 2006


Any number of ways in between MOT’s to hide the true mileage travelled in the year eg swap speedo for another and then put original back in, simply disconnect the speedo by cable or switch, etc.....

Nb this can be done to any car even modern ones but its a bit more hassle now as you have to have them “reprogrammed” so its most common in a cars early life ie lots have 2 year service intervals now and so a car can rack up eg 50k miles and be “knocked back” to say 20k in line with a PCP lease etc..... Why do you think there are so many new Fords / Mercs running around as UBERs Wink


Not getting it in relation to Cableguy’s car, assuming the JZM car is the same one. If the speedo showed 70k in 2010/11 that would appear on the MOT history. if it now shows 62k five or six years later, surely that should ring alarm bells? It’s easy enough to check the MOT history. Even with a number plate change as my GTV had a number plate change a few years ago and that shows too on the MOT history, which is online.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you ever buy a van at 3 years old, make sure it wasn't a courier van, these boys can do 250 a day 6 days a week, no sweat. Think about it.

if you are worried about mileage, then i think very long term ownership with very few owners is the best route,

if you are not, then there are plenty of decent cars still out there.

i noticed a blue sc on ebay, incredibly one owner from new, 77k miles, that wont hang about.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palladium wrote:
if you ever buy a van at 3 years old, make sure it wasn't a courier van, these boys can do 250 a day 6 days a week, no sweat. Think about it.

if you are worried about mileage, then i think very long term ownership with very few owners is the best route,

if you are not, then there are plenty of decent cars still out there.

i noticed a blue sc on eBay, incredibly one owner from new, 77k miles, that wont hang about.


That SC still needs lots of work and you won't know how bad it is until the wings are off. Rust in usual hotspots. Could be nothing but then again you could strip the car and it could get very expensive indeed to repair it properly. Lovely provenance but even at £35k you can't make the numbers add up in my view. Spk to Mr Bainbridge about the car who's seen it and worked on it close up - according to him you could get a repair bill for anything between £10k and £20k if you want to sympathetically restore her to her former glory.

JZM potentially having a car that may have been clocked a bit embarrassing IMO. How thorough are their checks in reality?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desert Dragon wrote:
Palladium wrote:
if you ever buy a van at 3 years old, make sure it wasn't a courier van, these boys can do 250 a day 6 days a week, no sweat. Think about it.

if you are worried about mileage, then i think very long term ownership with very few owners is the best route,

if you are not, then there are plenty of decent cars still out there.

i noticed a blue sc on eBay, incredibly one owner from new, 77k miles, that wont hang about.


That SC still needs lots of work and you won't know how bad it is until the wings are off. Rust in usual hotspots. Could be nothing but then again you could strip the car and it could get very expensive indeed to repair it properly. Lovely provenance but even at £35k you can't make the numbers add up in my view. Spk to Mr Bainbridge about the car who's seen it and worked on it close up - according to him you could get a repair bill for anything between £10k and £20k if you want to sympathetically restore her to her former glory.

JZM potentially having a car that may have been clocked a bit embarrassing IMO. How thorough are their checks in reality?




its a fair point, but a basic project aircooled that is a known rustbucket, with huge miles, etc etc, wont shift for under 20k, people just wont let them go for any less.

its also not totally vital to do a restoration unless its unroadworthy, its the sort of thing where you can drive around for years before its done.

i think the sc on ebay is a great buy if you are keeping it, it will always be a 2 owner car and these could be the next to explode in price as they are still seen as the most affordable aircooled.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

This is the MOT history for the Vesuvius C2S at JZM pulled through from the Gov website, the history makes sense and clearly has a different mileage to the 70,000 yours had in 2010, it looks like it is just a different car.

The C2S also has 20 stamps from OPC's and Porsche Specialist's that all correlate to the mileage on the MOT history.

If anyone would like further clarification then please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thanks

[b]10 May 2017
PASS
Mileage
61,965 miles
MOT test number
1006 1403 6351
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
9 May 2018

Date tested
22 February 2016
PASS
Mileage
61,741 miles
MOT test number
5734 5121 0321
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
24 February 2017

Date tested
25 February 2015
PASS
Mileage
61,429 miles
MOT test number
3953 1645 5098
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
24 February 2016

Date tested
12 November 2014
PASS
Mileage
61,203 miles
MOT test number
3668 0641 4316
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
11 November 2015

Date tested
29 October 2013
PASS
Mileage
59,882 miles
MOT test number
4890 6220 3435
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
28 October 2014

Date tested
11 September 2012
PASS
Mileage
59,250 miles
MOT test number
9072 6515 2250
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
10 September 2013

Date tested
17 August 2011
PASS
Mileage
57,742 miles
MOT test number
9090 1912 1231
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
16 August 2012
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
What are advisories?

Date tested
27 July 2010
PASS
Mileage
56,083 miles
MOT test number
1807 0840 0200
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
6 August 2011

Date tested
27 July 2009
PASS
Mileage
53,801 miles
MOT test number
7306 5850 9214
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
6 August 2010
Advisory notice item(s)
Nearside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
Offside Rear Tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.E.1)
What are advisories?

Date tested
25 July 2008
PASS
Mileage
52,158 miles
MOT test number
5603 0780 8283
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
6 August 2009

Date tested
31 July 2007
PASS
Mileage
49,633 miles
MOT test number
6800 5271 7235
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
6 August 2008

Date tested
7 August 2006
PASS
Mileage
44,247 miles
MOT test number
5829 1951 6262
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
6 August 2007

Date tested
28 March 2006
PASS
Mileage
43,797 miles
MOT test number
1611 4768 6091
Test location
unavailable until further notice
Expiry date
27 March 2007[/b]
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the servicing and MOT history all adding up, it would appear that it is a different car, no? Dont know

Anyway...going back to the topic of the thread. Have you sold it yet, MattyR?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have eaten my hat if this wasn't my car. There can't be many Vesuvius C2S' with the RS bits, colour coded Hollow Spokes, Fog/Brake Ducts and with Black Hardbacks...?

MOT and History check out. I wish you well with the sale. Thumb

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cableguy wrote:
I would have eaten my hat if this wasn't my car. There can't be many Vesuvius C2S' with the RS bits, colour coded Hollow Spokes, Fog/Brake Ducts and with Black Hardbacks...?

MOT and History check out. I wish you well with the sale. Thumb

C.


Eat the hat.



To get back on topic, I've seen the photo's of Matty's 993 and it is definitely a lovely example! Someone will be very happy!
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Cheers gents. At present a few enquiries but nothing concrete. A couple of people trying to get me down well below £30,000.00. Err no.

Early days yet and January probably not the best time to be selling but I haven’t listed it anywhere else yet so likely to do so this week.

At the worst I’ll find a way to keep it and break it to the missus gently Grin
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