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singh13
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:47 pm    Post subject: 993 turbo, cat b, car Reply with quote

HI all,


new to the 911 mark.
also new to this forum and my first post.

However was looking to buy an 993 turbo, which is currently on sale in Germany.

LINK BELOW

https://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/porsche/993/249139


Anyone looking at this, please stay away.
the car in question is right hand drive, originally delivered to the uk.

went to see the car and everything looked ok.
however firstly he didn't any history, invoices or paperwork for the 993 turbo.

I spoke to Porsche, and they confirmed engine numbers, gearbox numbers etc.

also had Porsche in Germany do a 111 point check on the car.

but I could not do a Hpi check, as Germany does not have anything like this.

I managed to complete a Hpi check on the vin number, low and behold the car was a cat b in the uk.

my main question is, why did Porsche not have this on their system?
how the f*&k did Porsche give it full 111 point check and not pick anything up?

has put me off buying a car outside of the uk.
 
  
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m119cars
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair the price should have really been enough of a give away that it had a 'story'.

I'm not really surprised the 111 point check didn't flag anything, it's really only a box ticking exercise.

With the values of these cars now it's very difficult to speculate what may have caused the cat b marker, was it a recent thing?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought a catB car could only be used for parts and not be used on the road. Or are you intending to use it only as a track car?


Mike.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taffybloke wrote:
I thought a catB car could only be used for parts and not be used on the road. Or are you intending to use it only as a track car?


Mike.



Correct no insurance company in the uk will provide cover. Probably the reason it has ended up abroad.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:
taffybloke wrote:
I thought a catB car could only be used for parts and not be used on the road. Or are you intending to use it only as a track car?


Mike.



Correct no insurance company in the uk will provide cover. Probably the reason it has ended up abroad.


Henderson Taylor will and so will Chubb.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lots of Cat B, C and D, salvage goes out of the uk daily and is then repaired, often badly, like the old UK cut and shuts, then secures registration in the country of repair, not unusual or illegal.


once repaired and registered they can and do all round the world.




Always a reason why RHD cars abroad require a lot of inspection and investigation
 
  
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the car pass the checks in the Porsche workshop OK? £60k is a nice NB C2 or a maybe C4S money.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itsdashy wrote:
911tom wrote:
taffybloke wrote:
I thought a catB car could only be used for parts and not be used on the road. Or are you intending to use it only as a track car?


Mike.



Correct no insurance company in the uk will provide cover. Probably the reason it has ended up abroad.


Henderson Taylor will and so will Chubb.


Most will cover a cat c or d but I always thought the rules created by the insurance industry on cat cars is that cat b cars can only be used for parts and are never allowed back on the road. I’ll be shocked if the above will cover a cat b.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the RAC website:

The categories are now A, B, S and N.

Category A (unchanged)
Scrap only. For cars so badly damaged they should be crushed and never re-appear on the road. Even salvageable parts must be destroyed.

Category B (unchanged)

Body shell should be crushed. Signifies extensive damage, although some parts are salvageable. Should never re-appear on road, although reclaimed parts can be used in other road-going vehicles.

Category S (formerly Category C)
The new Category S means the vehicle has suffered structural damage. This could include a bent or twisted chassis, or a crumple zone that has collapsed in a crash.
Category S damage is more than just cosmetic, therefore, and the vehicle will need to be professionally repaired. Also, it won’t be safe to drive until then.

Category N (formerly Category D)
Vehicles graded accordingly haven’t sustained structural damage, so the issue may be cosmetic, or a problem with the electrics that isn’t economical to repair.
Don’t assume such vehicles are drivable, however; non-structural faults may include brakes, steering or other safety-related parts.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:


Most will cover a cat c or d but I always thought the rules created by the insurance industry on cat cars is that cat b cars can only be used for parts and are never allowed back on the road. I’ll be shocked if the above will cover a cat b.


Did it myself with a VX220 turbo. That car now lives at the Nurburgring and is lhd. Needed a new rear clam exhaust and subframe. All of which are bolt on parts and cheap. I find some 'restorations' a lot scarier than most accident damaged cars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
Did the car pass the checks in the Porsche workshop OK? £60k is a nice NB C2 or a maybe C4S money.


You will be lucky to get any 4S for 60k, C2 yes Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest a 993 turbo on German plates with current Tuv is a brilliant TF car. The holy grail almost. Fast fun engaging and if the worst happens on the nurburgring
1. It's already happened to that car so eh repair it.
2. You're completely insured by brilliant, but quite pricey, German insurance.
Considering unmolested examples are £120k this at half price is about right in my opinion. I'd be tempted.
Addendum: remove front diff and nail some arches to it please for 0 guilt gt2 pleasuring.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...... but not of course if one was wanting to buy it and bring it back to the UK as a "pukka" car ......
 
  
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tyinsky
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NIBrown, I meant C4 - typo thumbsup

That turbo is tempting at just £60k. German TUV is apparently much tougher than a UK MOT, and if it has passed through a Porsche 111 point check without any red flags it can’t be that bad a car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's a turd rolled in glitter then Dont know
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singh13
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
NIBrown, I meant C4 - typo thumbsup

That turbo is tempting at just £60k. German TUV is apparently much tougher than a UK MOT, and if it has passed through a Porsche 111 point check without any red flags it can’t be that bad a car.


was a perfect car, shut lines were right, for the ages of the car, wear and tear was about right too.

Porsche Germany said a few small problems, but nothing major.

brakes.

I was not looking to bring it back as top example, which is not.
was looking at a very low priced car.
 
  
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arry
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:
taffybloke wrote:
I thought a catB car could only be used for parts and not be used on the road. Or are you intending to use it only as a track car?


Mike.



Correct no insurance company in the uk will provide cover. Probably the reason it has ended up abroad.


And how would one suggest they would know before insuring it?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
911tom wrote:
taffybloke wrote:
I thought a catB car could only be used for parts and not be used on the road. Or are you intending to use it only as a track car?


Mike.



Correct no insurance company in the uk will provide cover. Probably the reason it has ended up abroad.


And how would one suggest they would know before insuring it?


Because you would declare it to them. Otherwise you may as well just not bother getting insurance, come claim time they will check. You are correct though I doubt they will do any checks themselves before taking your money.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a copy of your statement of fact in front of you or handy? Does it contain a clear fair and not misleading statement to that effect?

Mine doesn't; indeed I can't remember a tike of ever having been asked.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely the best way for the OP to check is phone his/her insurer and put it to them?

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