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997.1 Remapping

AdeD said:
Yeah there was, i remember that... I like to think thats more naive than dishonesty but you would think they would question themeselves when they took the old ones out and they looked the same and had the same part number as the GT2RS ones :floor: :floor: :floor:

Very true, although with claimed 18 years experience you'd think they would know better :grin:

Why take your car who someone who claim's to be able to tune / modify 16 different car's (and lord knows how many different engines) Vs a proven specialist :eh!:
 
Me personally i would go with Es. I wouldn't fancy the wrong year of car map loaded on to my my car :eek:
 
Riggerz said:
Me personally i would go with Es. I wouldn't fancy the wrong year of car map loaded on to my my car :eek:

So this is interesting as I have a 997.1 C2S which I've got booked in for a remap with DMS in Jan having read decent things about them on this forum. I'm running a full SS Kline exhaust and BMC filter and I'm not expecting massive power gains but a bit more low end torque, smoother power curve and a clean up of the air / fuel mixtures given new exhaust etc. is I reckon worth a few hundred quid.

Based on the feedback above I've done a bit of a ring around on alternatives..

Out of those mentioned here I've had quotes of £500 from Regal, £780 from DMS and £1500 for 9e (all inclusive of VAT). Just waiting back for a quote now from ES.

If people have used Regal and would recommend them and they are the cheapest then maybe that's a better option.... will update once I've got a quote from ES but anyone else with opinions feel free to 'chip' in :grin:
 
Regal are good, don't get me wrong, but that seems cheap for EVOMSiT map. This may be their own map? Just confirm that.
 
Mikee Quickstep said:
Riggerz said:
Me personally i would go with Es. I wouldn't fancy the wrong year of car map loaded on to my my car :eek:

So this is interesting as I have a 997.1 C2S which I've got booked in for a remap with DMS in Jan having read decent things about them on this forum. I'm running a full SS Kline exhaust and BMC filter and I'm not expecting massive power gains but a bit more low end torque, smoother power curve and a clean up of the air / fuel mixtures given new exhaust etc. is I reckon worth a few hundred quid.

Based on the feedback above I've done a bit of a ring around on alternatives..

Out of those mentioned here I've had quotes of £500 from Regal, £780 from DMS and £1500 for 9e (all inclusive of VAT). Just waiting back for a quote now from ES.

If people have used Regal and would recommend them and they are the cheapest then maybe that's a better option.... will update once I've got a quote from ES but anyone else with opinions feel free to 'chip' in :grin:

My Gen2 has a regal remap , cant say there anything wrong with it at all not quite as grunty as the DMS remap on the gen1 but then the gen2 engine isnt quite as grunty anyway so its probably just that.

Your spot on with your expectations on NA cars its more about the change to the power curve and where its delivered than a whole lot more BHP in a place where you will rarely use it. You will feel noticable changes in the low /mid range. which for a road car is just where you want the wins. :thumb:
 
Quick update.... ES responded saying they wouldn't map an NA car as they specialise in Turbo's and haven't ran the R&D on NA models to be confident in doing it. 9E have dropped their price down to £995+VAT so less expensive but still the most although they do have the car in for a few days doing real world VBox tuning rather than putting on a dyno for a few hours.

Hmmmm.... still undecided.
 
9e and ES do not use dynos as far as I know and there must be reasons why.

Would not be risking my engine for a few hundred quid and would still take it to 9e, at least you know your car is in good hands and you are more likely to get real world results.
 
Mikee Quickstep said:
that is where I'm starting to lean....

Mike, the 9e option does sound very interesting and is only a few hundred quid more. If you go that way please put up a review thread as I might well follow you and try it instead of my regal remap thats on it now. regal managed to get my 997.2 just over 400bhp but thats with a full cargraphic sports exhaust and a GT3 throttle body. I have since then done a bit to the induction etc so would expect to be running a few BHP more than that now, but my target is to get just over the 408BHP the GTS has. :thumb:

But as already mentioned its also about the delivery power in the low/mid range as all the changes actually only gave me 17/20 BHP total considering the cost of those things if you were chasing max bhp you would probably be disapointed. But as a daily driven road car it is for me much more about the improvements in the power curve and the gains lower down in the range. :grin:
 
Mikee Quickstep said:
they do have the car in for a few days doing real world VBox tuning rather than putting on a dyno for a few hours.

Hmmmm.... still undecided.

You shouldn't be, buy cheap...buy twice :judge:

:thumb:
 
As has been mentioned we don't use dynos but prefer to run on the road and get some real world conditions.

Last month we did 997c2s with full kline exhaust system, large intake and TB and stock was 317whp. You can see the results afterwards. But it does take multiple runs and we work hard on the partial load/non flat gradient driveability that you tend to not get on a flat dyno.

Ken
 

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I too have had a bad experience with DMS. My car made good numbers on their dyno but was much faster after Unicorn mapped it and on the unicorn dyno it was showing 100hp less!

As for tuning N/A cars it is and expensive game with very small gains. Exhaust, intake, throttle bodies is the easy bit. Then you get in to cams, flowing heads LWFW... A lot of cash to spend for a maximum 10% gain in power. Gets to the point where you are better off buying a faster car.

If I was in your position I would go to 9e. Or more likely sell and buy a turbo.... If the latter is not an option slap on a supercharger :D
 
I just know the next question is going to be about asking Ken about a group buy for remaps :grin: :grin: :thumb:
 
911tom said:
As for tuning N/A cars it is and expensive game with very small gains. Exhaust, intake, throttle bodies is the easy bit. Then you get in to cams, flowing heads LWFW... A lot of cash to spend for a maximum 10% gain in power. Gets to the point where you are better off buying a faster car.

If I was in your position I would go to 9e. Or more likely sell and buy a turbo.... If the latter is not an option slap on a supercharger :D

Depends which way you look at it doesn't it. I personally wouldn't want a turbo, I much prefer the driving experience of an NA car. Dream car is a GT3 but I ain't got GT3 money (yet :grin: ) so in the mean time, spending a bit of money to get a bit more enjoyment out of what I've got is not only the only viable option but also a decent one when you consider it would be an extra 10k for a 997.2 which is pretty much the only other option.

I've also now through general ownership replaced the clutch, IMS bearing, engine mounts, plugs, coils, battery, battery leads, air con condensers, brake pads, discs and then uprated brake hoses, LTT thermometer, millers in both engine and diff, SSK, BMC air filter / induction kit and fitted a full Kline exhaust so I know the car in it's current state is tip top which I wouldn't get if I got rid of my car and got a new one ... an extra 1k or there abouts to improve the drive ability in that context isn't bad value for money...

Yeah group buy on the 9e tuning would do me nicely :D :thumb:
 
I tend to think remapping a NA car is more about improving its drivability and smoothness rather than an outright power hike.
 

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