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AdeD
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maph wrote:


Be really interested in how it compares to the ES650 kit you were running. It is obviously quicker, but can you feel the difference and does it deliver the power any differently? How does it put the power down, any traction issues?


Yes, put it this way on the road it's noticeable enopugh to make me want to upgrade to the 700 package Very Happy
On paper it doesn't seem as much but when you convert times to how far the car has actually traveled it is quite an improvement...

I don't know RIGGERZ vbox times but here is a comparison of the 2 packages below from another ES700, obviously all cars are slightly different but RIGGERZ will be very similar (Ignore the 0-xxx times as i had traction issues with old worn tyres, the PS4S fitted now are MUCH better) Cool
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Desert Dragon
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So in real money that puts the ES 700 kit at 786bhp at the flywheel? Seems slightly conservative dyno considering the cars weight and those performance figures.

Here's a McLaren 720 S over those same performance stats. You'll note both the ES 650 and 700 would give it a hard time and that car is circa 500bhp per ton. The 997 turbo would need at least 800bhp to equal that 500 bhp per ton the McLaren has.

Think the ES 700 needs to be called the ES 800 or ES 850 Wink

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Riggerz
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the Es650 kit is very good what i have found with the Es700 is how smooth it is because off the amount of time spent actually tuning it. It has a bit more power low down but things start to happen once the METH starts to come on, the power just ups and in damp conditions can get a bit side ways
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maph
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdeD wrote:


Yes, put it this way on the road it's noticeable enopugh to make me want to upgrade to the 700 package Very Happy
On paper it doesn't seem as much but when you convert times to how far the car has actually traveled it is quite an improvement...

I don't know RIGGERZ vbox times but here is a comparison of the 2 packages below from another ES700, obviously all cars are slightly different but RIGGERZ will be very similar (Ignore the 0-xxx times as i had traction issues with old worn tyres, the PS4S fitted now are MUCH better) Cool


Impressive figures for both kits and as DD says they compare well to the MCL 720s which in real world terms is apparently as fast as a MCL P1.

RIGGERZ wrote:
the Es650 kit is very good what i have found with the Es700 is how smooth it is because off the amount of time spent actually tuning it. It has a bit more power low down but things start to happen once the METH starts to come on, the power just ups and in damp conditions can get a bit side ways


Thanks good to hear a comparison between the two. I still find it amazing how much power these cars can put down without losing much traction. Are you running standard wheels/ sized tyres?

Did you have a previous dyno readout of your ES650 kit as a comparison? Not sure if you have one Ade?
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Riggerz
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi AdeD sorry I don’t have dyno figures from the 650 kit. I’m running original turbo s wheels with Centre lock and Michelin pilot super sport must say these things grip unreal in most conditions
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AdeD
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maph wrote:
Not sure if you have one Ade?


No, mines never been put on the dyno, i have no idea what bhp i'm putting down... vbox estimated it at 720 once but tbh i don't know how accurate that is.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. Mine is running the ES650 kit and likewise, I have no idea what it is putting out. Goes well though Very Happy

Not sure if I need more power or the complication of meth, but fair play to those that do!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maph wrote:
Thanks guys. Mine is running the ES650 kit and likewise, I have no idea what it is putting out. Goes well though Very Happy

Not sure if I need more power or the complication of meth, but fair play to those that do!


lol, it's not complicated, driving normal you don't use any, it must have been about 2 or 3 months since i last topped it up...
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Riggerz
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on AdeD
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Desert Dragon
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So all hardware being the same the only difference is software between ES650 and ES700?

Whats the maximum boost Ade's car runs and max boost for Riggerz car? I imagine in 5th and 6th its holding onto this max boost all the way to red line?
 
  
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Riggerz
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi mate the difference in the 2 packages is meth see photo. mine is now running 1.65 peak and backs down to 1.6 off peak but its not just the boost it's the cam timing and the variable (vanos not to sure on spelling) can be moved due to running about 15 degrees cooler
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Desert Dragon
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah got you now. So Ade's is also an ES700 not an ES650? His car just ran a bit slower due to worn tyres which makes sense?

Thats a lot of boost by the way. Really impressed the cars holding onto all that boost.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At this moment I can’t fault it and the way these things still grip even after a tune is amazing. I put new rubber on mine before the last upgrades and unless it’s wet it grips
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AdeD
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desert Dragon wrote:
Ah got you now. So Ade's is also an ES700 not an ES650? His car just ran a bit slower due to worn tyres which makes sense?

Thats a lot of boost by the way. Really impressed the cars holding onto all that boost.


Mines more of a custom setup as i'm running meth but still on stock headers and coolers...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riggerz wrote:
Cheers the Es700 kit as made it into a proper beast mate




Glad you are Happy Ian,i'm running the ES650 Kit,with Cooler's & Exhaust Header's on my ES Exhaust,i'm very Pleased,has i'm Driving 1 Handed using Hand Control's i'm not upgrading to Meth,it's good to Know there are option's i can do,if i get Bored(which ain't going to Happen) Enjoy your car Buddy,She's Certainly a Weapon Now worship


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Desert Dragon
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hows reliability been on this kit a few years on?
 
  
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