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911TEL
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2011 Porsche 997 Turbo S

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
Zingari wrote:
jonttt wrote:

Face facts these are cars are now purchased by a different type of buyer


You mean one who believes in the Emperor's new clothes Dont know

Trouble is I'm reminded of this:





Dear ,dear , dear.....does it always end like this ......?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't chum. All I'm saying is I like the 993 (and 964 obviously) but there is a price point I'd pay to own AND drive one.

Most of us on here got in well before that price point and we've done well knowing that if we actually use the cars, not afraid of whacking on some miles and stone chips, we aint going to lose and will always get the dough back, likely making some money on a future deal. I'm more than happy even just to get my money back, if we go back to the 'mean point, as I've technically written off the money I put into it and don't class it as an asset.

Trouble is at £160k for a very low mileage turbo you either have the money to buy it and not worry about making dough on it (even accepting you might lose some throuh depreciation) but you want that car so it matters not. Or you take a punt on an 'investment' where it's your 4th or 5th car and accept you won't drive it because you'd be shaking like a shitting dog very time you took it out in case something happened which in my book ruins the pleasure of the drive.

Personally if I had £160k to spend on a car and wanted to drive it, I'd be into something relatively new but accept doing so it'll doubtless depreciate and be prepared to admit it. Rolling Eyes

Hand However I won't let depreciation be a deciding factor on what car I want to buy as I'm only here once and have no doubt I'm going to snuff it still with some loose dough in my pockets nooo

I'd like to meet the eventual buyer of this car, hopefully where they tell me they're going to drive it, not where I'm engaged in a deal to sell them that large marble plinth Grin

I'm happy that owners of air-cooled are seeing the sale prices rising, we're all on a roll, but that just means a lot will drive them less. 993 owners on here thta I've met are a great bunch even when you get past the socks, sandals and driving gloves as worn out as a camel's knapsack Thumb

I'll likely sell my car next year, not because I want to make a load of dough but my lifestyle will change and I want to replace it with something else but need the space it takes up in the garage. I still enjoy it but never saw myself owning it for life.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

........ good post Zingers ....... Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari, Get a boxster as well old chum, more fun than a 911 and a perfect compliment to an air cooled for modern fun (I exclude the 718 Grin ) Unless you need that dough its safer in the WB 964 Thumb

You are then free to get any daily you want as the fun factor is ticked on the drive Bandit
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickjonesn4 wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
nickjonesn4 wrote:
tyinsky wrote:
Surprised

Can't belive some of those comments. You guys would rather have TWO 997 turbos in place of one, air cooled 993 Turbo?! Wrong on so many levels. 997Ts look gash. I wonder why they cost 2/3 times more...






997 turbo is hideous to behold, those wheels... yuk


But could actually afford 1 of these



AND one of these (with the centre-locks)



And as Mrs Sponge said when I proudly showed on my last mint 993 "It smells inside"


That GTS is lovely, most 997s look great, I just don't like the turbo. It looks very dated IMHO.


Yep.........but for example I chose a 993 and boxster GTS instead, go figure Grin

There is no argument that the 997 is the better car in almost every way (except for looks, and an interior that will always be dated and never classic due to PCM) and that more people would choose to own one over a 993. But that's not the point, enough people would rather own a 993 and being rarer the value will always be there. I would never dream of swapping my 993 for a 997 or 991 on so many levels and that's the same for buyers of these cars.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBF that car 👆👆👆👆👆👆👆up there is for me a classic, I know people rave about the looks of 964 and 993 but for me anyway that's the sweet spot of all 911's, the shape and interior are just right. Shame I missed the 997 GTS bubble by a year or so.Good job were all different thumbsup
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4S

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When are people going to stop comparing the two cars . People who buy a 993 obviously don't want a 997. Even if they are better ! I could chop mine in and buy a 997, 991, and get a change. Both have no interest to me . It's as simple as that .. I love this and it's cost me the price of a nice e46m3. Much better car most of you would say , but I'm not interested in what it drives like ,it's about how it make me feel driving it
 



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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2S

PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elee wrote:
When are people going to stop comparing the two cars . People who buy a 993 obviously don't want a 997. Even if they are better ! I could chop mine in and buy a 997, 991, and get a change. Both have no interest to me . It's as simple as that .. I love this and it's cost me the price of a nice e46m3. Much better car most of you would say , but I'm not interested in what it drives like ,it's about how it make me feel driving it


Would love to see and read a little more on that car if you are happy to share.
 
  
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2011 Porsche 997 Turbo S

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickjonesn4 wrote:
tyinsky wrote:
Surprised

Can't belive some of those comments. You guys would rather have TWO 997 turbos in place of one, air cooled 993 Turbo?! Wrong on so many levels. 997Ts look gash. I wonder why they cost 2/3 times more...






997 turbo is hideous to behold, those wheels... yuk
l

This is hideous?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The owner of that visual faux pas must be a huge Hasselhoff fan – somebody call 911!


 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
TBF that car 👆👆👆👆👆👆👆up there is for me a classic, I know people rave about the looks of 964 and 993 but for me anyway that's the sweet spot of all 911's, the shape and interior are just right. Shame I missed the 997 GTS bubble by a year or so.Good job were all different thumbsup


Agreed, the only 997 I would entertain would be a GTS or GT3 Thumb I would take a good NA package over FI any day, especially now their lifetime is very limited.
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2011 Porsche 997 Turbo S

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
It doesn't chum. All I'm saying is I like the 993 (and 964 obviously) but there is a price point I'd pay to own AND drive one.

Most of us on here got in well before that price point and we've done well knowing that if we actually use the cars, not afraid of whacking on some miles and stone chips, we aint going to lose and will always get the dough back, likely making some money on a future deal. I'm more than happy even just to get my money back, if we go back to the 'mean point, as I've technically written off the money I put into it and don't class it as an asset.

Trouble is at £160k for a very low mileage turbo you either have the money to buy it and not worry about making dough on it (even accepting you might lose some throuh depreciation) but you want that car so it matters not. Or you take a punt on an 'investment' where it's your 4th or 5th car and accept you won't drive it because you'd be shaking like a shitting dog very time you took it out in case something happened which in my book ruins the pleasure of the drive.

Personally if I had £160k to spend on a car and wanted to drive it, I'd be into something relatively new but accept doing so it'll doubtless depreciate and be prepared to admit it. Rolling Eyes

Hand However I won't let depreciation be a deciding factor on what car I want to buy as I'm only here once and have no doubt I'm going to snuff it still with some loose dough in my pockets nooo

I'd like to meet the eventual buyer of this car, hopefully where they tell me they're going to drive it, not where I'm engaged in a deal to sell them that large marble plinth Grin

I'm happy that owners of air-cooled are seeing the sale prices rising, we're all on a roll, but that just means a lot will drive them less. 993 owners on here thta I've met are a great bunch even when you get past the socks, sandals and driving gloves as worn out as a camel's knapsack Thumb

I'll likely sell my car next year, not because I want to make a load of dough but my lifestyle will change and I want to replace it with something else but need the space it takes up in the garage. I still enjoy it but never saw myself owning it for life.



I would agree with the majority of that .....

I like to see the values rising .....but it's the various factions that have the digs in there that amaze me ...
Posturing from those that own the air cooled , it's almost trying to antagonise the rest ....
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2011 Porsche 997 Turbo S

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
The owner of that visual faux pas must be a huge Hasselhoff fan – somebody call 911!




The point is that the 997 Turbo is not in any way hideous my sanctimonious friend .....
The Turbo S is hardly a 'visual faux pas' ....... in any shape or form ....

How is it that some of you guys get personal towards owners cars in defense of your opinion ?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
nickjonesn4 wrote:
tyinsky wrote:
Surprised

Can't belive some of those comments. You guys would rather have TWO 997 turbos in place of one, air cooled 993 Turbo?! Wrong on so many levels. 997Ts look gash. I wonder why they cost 2/3 times more...






997 turbo is hideous to behold, those wheels... yuk
l

This is hideous?


Looks much better in black and with those wheels agred. not my cup of Darjeeling however, too much going on Vs GTS
 
  
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tyinsky
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2S

PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
tyinsky wrote:
The owner of that visual faux pas must be a huge Hasselhoff fan – somebody call 911!




The point is that the 997 Turbo is not in any way hideous my sanctimonious friend .....
The Turbo S is hardly a 'visual faux pas' ....... in any shape or form ....

How is it that some of you guys get personal towards owners cars in defense of your opinion ?


Just a bit of humour - it is a 993 area so don't be too surprised if myself and some others may not like the 997T. Just not my thing. We all like different things so I'm pleased for you that you love it. Thumb
 
  
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