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redbaron1973
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All of which is very nice - but they don't make them anymore, the parrot is dead. Smile

So at the risk of kicking off world war 3 from all directions... what is the best option now - I think everyone fundamentally finds the P-Zeros to be avg at best. Bridgestone? Goodyear? or Sod the N rating and go 91y over 87 Y and go PS4S ?



Confused Which tyre are you claiming they don't make anymore?

If you're inferring this about N rated PS2s you are wrong, unless they've ceased manufacture since July when the four recently fitted to my car were made.



Yes I am saying they don't make them anymore as a series production tyre. I am told production has ceased and only bit of stock remain in the channel. Hence they no longer show on Michelin Website. This was what I was told by my tyre supplier also.

I know Michelin is rationalising the range and hopefully PS4 PS4S will appear with N rating for 997 sizes soon.
 
  
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Jcx
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redbaron1973 wrote:
T8 wrote:
redbaron1973 wrote:


All of which is very nice - but they don't make them anymore, the parrot is dead. Smile

So at the risk of kicking off world war 3 from all directions... what is the best option now - I think everyone fundamentally finds the P-Zeros to be avg at best. Bridgestone? Goodyear? or Sod the N rating and go 91y over 87 Y and go PS4S ?



Confused Which tyre are you claiming they don't make anymore?

If you're inferring this about N rated PS2s you are wrong, unless they've ceased manufacture since July when the four recently fitted to my car were made.



Yes I am saying they don't make them anymore as a series production tyre. I am told production has ceased and only bit of stock remain in the channel. Hence they no longer show on Michelin Website. This was what I was told by my tyre supplier also.

I know Michelin is rationalising the range and hopefully PS4 PS4S will appear with N rating for 997 sizes soon.


How does the 87y vs 91y thing relate to N rated tyres? Or am I wrong to infer that from your post?
 
  
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redbaron1973
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jcx wrote:
redbaron1973 wrote:
T8 wrote:
redbaron1973 wrote:


All of which is very nice - but they don't make them anymore, the parrot is dead. Smile

So at the risk of kicking off world war 3 from all directions... what is the best option now - I think everyone fundamentally finds the P-Zeros to be avg at best. Bridgestone? Goodyear? or Sod the N rating and go 91y over 87 Y and go PS4S ?



Confused Which tyre are you claiming they don't make anymore?

If you're inferring this about N rated PS2s you are wrong, unless they've ceased manufacture since July when the four recently fitted to my car were made.



Yes I am saying they don't make them anymore as a series production tyre. I am told production has ceased and only bit of stock remain in the channel. Hence they no longer show on Michelin Website. This was what I was told by my tyre supplier also.

I know Michelin is rationalising the range and hopefully PS4 PS4S will appear with N rating for 997 sizes soon.


How does the 87y vs 91y thing relate to N rated tyres? Or am I wrong to infer that from your post?


they don't yet make 87Y - they only make 91Y (higher weight rating) in PS4S - presumably 91 is slightly stiffer side wall?
 
  
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redbaron1973
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT3 and GT3 RS use the 91Y..

Im unclear if using the 87Y "older designs" to keep Porsche warranty happy is lunacy or using a newer design 91Y is actually a sensible approach...

Given my car is well out of Porsche warranty..... what have others done?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not convinced about the sidewall stiffness argument, but I'll replace my MPSS with PS4S when worn.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not convinced about the sidewall stiffness argument, but I'll replace my MPSS with PS4S when worn.


are yours 87 or 91?
 
  
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Magic919
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are 91 and I'm not sure they came in anything else.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redbaron1973 wrote:
T8 wrote:
redbaron1973 wrote:


All of which is very nice - but they don't make them anymore, the parrot is dead. Smile

So at the risk of kicking off world war 3 from all directions... what is the best option now - I think everyone fundamentally finds the P-Zeros to be avg at best. Bridgestone? Goodyear? or Sod the N rating and go 91y over 87 Y and go PS4S ?



Confused Which tyre are you claiming they don't make anymore?

If you're inferring this about N rated PS2s you are wrong, unless they've ceased manufacture since July when the four recently fitted to my car were made.



Yes I am saying they don't make them anymore as a series production tyre. I am told production has ceased and only bit of stock remain in the channel. Hence they no longer show on Michelin Website. This was what I was told by my tyre supplier also.



I hadn't heard that. I'm just pleased I got my new PS2s on in time for my Feb' 2018 warranty renewal.

For Feb' 2020 it will be somebody else's problem. Very Happy
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Jcx
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
redbaron1973 wrote:
T8 wrote:
redbaron1973 wrote:


All of which is very nice - but they don't make them anymore, the parrot is dead. Smile

So at the risk of kicking off world war 3 from all directions... what is the best option now - I think everyone fundamentally finds the P-Zeros to be avg at best. Bridgestone? Goodyear? or Sod the N rating and go 91y over 87 Y and go PS4S ?



Confused Which tyre are you claiming they don't make anymore?

If you're inferring this about N rated PS2s you are wrong, unless they've ceased manufacture since July when the four recently fitted to my car were made.



Yes I am saying they don't make them anymore as a series production tyre. I am told production has ceased and only bit of stock remain in the channel. Hence they no longer show on Michelin Website. This was what I was told by my tyre supplier also.



I hadn't heard that. I'm just pleased I got my new PS2s on in time for my Feb' 2018 warranty renewal.

For Feb' 2020 it will be somebody else's problem. Very Happy


Oooh!! When do you plan to sell T8?

jc
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

my tyre fitter is offering me PS4S or PS2 N2s 9 (for £10 more) - which to go for?

does N rated matter?

(car is '05 so no warranty issues)

thanks
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Magic919
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is a bit out of date really now the PS4S is here. I've replaced PS2s with PS4S. They have no N rating in 997 size, but that's just a concern for those under warranty.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just put PS4S on the front, and they certainly “look” good! The PS2 N2 I have on the back, now “look” old and dated in comparison.

(In anticipation for anyone saying I shouldn’t mix rear N2 and front PS4S, I will manage!)

As for performance I am not sure - new vs old tyres is always going to feel good.

As for N2, that is normally a big debate. I personally couldn’t careless about it. My tyre fitter told me to only use N2 as it is a “Porsche”, but I ignored him.
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Marky911
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N rating doesn't matter a jot if you're out of warranty.

No insurance implications and no performance implications. It's just another Porsche tax for those stuck in (or choose to be in) manufacturers warranty.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
N rating doesn't matter a jot if you're out of warranty.

No insurance implications and no performance implications. It's just another Porsche tax for those stuck in (or choose to be in) manufacturers warranty.


thanks - very helpful
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2018 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS4S in 295/30/19 for £231 on tyreleader at the moment.

I just got my local f1 autocentre to price match and include fitting/disposal.

Hope that helps someone.

(I also tried some of the discount codes on the tyreleader site but none worked, a further 25% discount would have been amazing)
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