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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:47 am    Post subject: Impending 991 - Silly Questions Time Reply with quote

So it's looking good for around one week today for collection of my 991.1 Smile so excited.

I do have some silly questions, has anybody got some sensible answers?
How do you remove or change a tyre if you have centre locking wheels?
How do you do map updates and what costs are involved, is it worth it?
Is it possible to get the dials changed from black to white? See it's an option on a new car, just not sure if it can be done afterwards? No biggie but if it was reasonable I'd do this.

I'm sure as time goes on I'll have more Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have fun with the collection, unfortunately I have no answer to any of your questions though ... I have not even done the map update Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations on your imminent new arrival. Thumb

Centre locks - need special adaptor to fit nut, and a torque wrench rated to at least 600Nm (usually about 1.25m in length, so not practical to carry around). Probably best to use OPC.

Map updates are available - think they are around £200 or so.

Dial faces - there are companies out there that can change the dials to different colours (from memory £300-400 for a decent job), but may invalidate Porsche warranty. New clocks come in at about £2K+.

Hope the above helps, and good luck with the new car. Post up some pics when it arrives. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations on your new car. A center lock socket will come with your car as part of the tool kit. I use a breaker bar with a torque multiplier to remove the center lock nut and a standard torque wrench with the torque multiplier to replace the centre lock nut .i decided to go down the torque multiplier route because it's a compact piece of kit that easily fits in the luggage compartment if needed.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ911 wrote:
Congratulations on your imminent new arrival. Thumb


Thanks

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Centre locks - need special adaptor to fit nut, and a torque wrench rated to at least 600Nm (usually about 1.25m in length, so not practical to carry around). Probably best to use OPC.


Is this something say a tyre fitter (Kwik fit for example, not that I would ever them) would have access too, or is it to specialised for them? Just trying to gauge the headache.

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Map updates are available - think they are around £200 or so.


Might be worth doing, I will try and find out how old the maps in the car is.

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Dial faces - there are companies out there that can change the dials to different colours (from memory £300-400 for a decent job), but may invalidate Porsche warranty. New clocks come in at about £2K+.


Think I'll live with the Black dials! lol

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Hope the above helps, and good luck with the new car. Post up some pics when it arrives. Smile


Very helpful and I will post some pics Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edge wrote:
Congratulations on your new car. A center lock socket will come with your car as part of the tool kit. I use a breaker bar with a torque multiplier to remove the center lock nut and a standard torque wrench with the torque multiplier to replace the centre lock nut .i decided to go down the torque multiplier route because it's a compact piece of kit that easily fits in the luggage compartment if needed.


Thanks, this is really helpful info, I don't suppose you have any links or makes for these tools required?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very positive experience with Norbar torque tools on a day-to-day basis.

From memory, the centre locks should be tightened to 600Nm (think this is a track value, so please check for the normal road value).

Conventional torque wrench (massive in size) :-
http://www.toolstop.co.uk/norbar-12007-torque-wrench-3-4-ratchet-adjustable-200-800-n.m-150-600-lbf.ft-p1659

Torque multiplier, although more expensive, allows a conventional torque wrench to be used to generate much higher torque values :
https://www.buckandhickman.com/find/product-is-246066-NORBAR-NO-3-HIGHWAYMAN-TORQUE-MULTIPLIER

Torque multipler in operation :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzpTU7lBxBA
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much better value torque multipliers here
http://www.workshopping.co.uk/category/torque-multipliers/1269/

They also sell the torque wrenches. I think the socket for the centre lock nuts is 3/4 inch drive.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your replies, looks like we've hit a small snag..

The car was originally spec'd with centre locks, I even have a copy of the original options list. But soon after delivery, these were changed to normal turbo alloys. As the dealership was waiting for this car to come in from Reading, this didn't come to light straight away.

After much disappointment and deliberation, as this was an option I really wanted. We struck a new deal with the wheels it has. So looks like we are on for delivery towards the end of this week.

Apparently once this has been changed it can not be put back to centre wheel locks by a Porsche centre. So I have been told. Even though all I was asking was for it to put back to factory supplied.. As I was really wanting to go down this route even if it meant paying something towards this.

The rest of the car is perfect and has everything I would want in a colour I want at the right mileage, spec and price.

I will get a 2nd opinion about the wheels, but from what I've been told it looks like I will have to live with it or carry on waiting for another right car to come along, which after waiting all this time I'm reluctant.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be changed to center locks at least the 997 could which is the last ive worked on but the cost is horrendous , x4 new wheels let alone all the suspension components .
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six speed wrote:
Thanks for your replies, looks like we've hit a small snag..

The car was originally spec'd with centre locks, I even have a copy of the original options list. But soon after delivery, these were changed to normal turbo alloys. As the dealership was waiting for this car to come in from Reading, this didn't come to light straight away.

After much disappointment and deliberation, as this was an option I really wanted. We struck a new deal with the wheels it has. So looks like we are on for delivery towards the end of this week.

Apparently once this has been changed it can not be put back to centre wheel locks by a Porsche centre. So I have been told. Even though all I was asking was for it to put back to factory supplied.. As I was really wanting to go down this route even if it meant paying something towards this.

The rest of the car is perfect and has everything I would want in a colour I want at the right mileage, spec and price.

I will get a 2nd opinion about the wheels, but from what I've been told it looks like I will have to live with it or carry on waiting for another right car to come along, which after waiting all this time I'm reluctant.

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apart from the look, youre much better off in the real world with the regular wheels set up
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Six speed wrote:

Apparently once this has been changed it can not be put back to centre wheel locks by a Porsche centre. So I have been told.


If it can be changed from them then clearly it can be changed to them. For the 997 there was ever a (discounted) factory parts kit for it. Your dealer certainly won't want to do that though - it probably will cost more than the margin that they have in the car as they will only be able to do it with brand new parts. A day and a half of labour, new wheels (couple of grand second hand but probably about 3 times that new), hubs, bearings, drive pins, centre lock nuts, dust caps (yes - those alone are £40 per corner for centre locks), the socket so that you can remove them (which is about £200 by itself).

If it is really important to you it will make much more sense to discard this one and keep hunting for a different car.

Personally though - I think that you will in the long term be better off to take the non-centre lock car.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If it can be changed from them then clearly it can be changed to them.


This was my thoughts but apparently Porsche will not approve this and they say they have a letter from Porsche stating this, nothing to do with money because I asked for a quote to get it done regardless, just for my reference.

The only reason they could give me, is maybe this has been done in the past and something went wrong, after all it is a near on 200mph car and they don't want to take liability.

I can only go by what the OPC told me. As I know no different, still seems crazy as it was originally supplied with centre locks and all I'm trying to do is return it to factory spec.

Now I could get it done by an indy, but I don't want to go down this road.

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Personally though - I think that you will in the long term be better off to take the non-centre lock car.


Yes I agree, the more I look in to this.
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