New car tax fees come April

NLW73 · 6 Mar 2017

Can't say as I'd paid any notice to this until yesterday. I reckon a number of people buying new cars on 2nd April will have a bit of a shock too.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...ut-uk-road-tax

nearly doubles the tax on the GT3 potentially if I ran it all year long but its only taxed for 6 months of the year but still a pain,

what a bunch of a55holes!!

the whole system is wrong for two main reasons:

- money raised does not go back into the road and infrastructure that much ...just seems to get pissed up the wall on the NHS. time to go like the US on that front.

- it should be based on usage and have toll systems like in France and scrap the tax system. that way its based on usage and if you do 30k miles a year then you use the roads more and should pay for that.

if we had tolls it would make people think about using the car properly and not for the silly journeys and maybe even plan ahead. M25 would be a different place too!

Alex · 6 Mar 2017

Said for years, should just be incorporated into fuel cost. The more you use, the more tax paid.

Palladium · 6 Mar 2017

the roads are in a shocking state wherever i go, just don't buy a new expensive car, at least you have a choice, like the bag tax.

MisterCorn · 6 Mar 2017

It is worse than that, I only ever use the left hand side of the road but they won't let me pay just half the road tax. It seems to me that the roads are being paid for twice.

MC

GT4 · 6 Mar 2017

NLW73 said:
nearly doubles the tax on the GT3 potentially if I ran it all year long but its only taxed for 6 months of the year but still a pain,

You do know this only affects new cars? (cars registered from 1/4/2017)

It has no effect on your 996

Robertb · 6 Mar 2017

The real crime is the proportion of a cheaper old car's value that the annual tax is. My old 328i cost £250 to tax and I only got £200 for it when I sold it!

The condition of the UK roads are an absolute joke, particularly in the south east.

Martian · 6 Mar 2017

I do about 20K miles per annum in my daily driver and the road tax is £30. I do ~1-2K per year in my 911 and it's £510. :bandit:

Phil 997 · 6 Mar 2017

"I am Polish whats road tax " Insert other nationalities as you wish :nooo: :wink:

Dammit · 7 Mar 2017

NLW73 said:
Can't say as I'd paid any notice to this until yesterday. I reckon a number of people buying new cars on 2nd April will have a bit of a shock too.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...ut-uk-road-tax

nearly doubles the tax on the GT3 potentially if I ran it all year long but its only taxed for 6 months of the year but still a pain,

what a bunch of a55holes!!

the whole system is wrong for two main reasons:

- money raised does not go back into the road and infrastructure that much ...just seems to get pissed up the wall on the NHS. time to go like the US on that front.

- it should be based on usage and have toll systems like in France and scrap the tax system. that way its based on usage and if you do 30k miles a year then you use the roads more and should pay for that.

if we had tolls it would make people think about using the car properly and not for the silly journeys and maybe even plan ahead. M25 would be a different place too!

VED isn't hypothecated - it goes into the same pot as all tax revenue, so you are correct in that it doesn't go to building roads, it's used for everything.

However, if we were to see if the books balanced, if we theoretically put VED against the costs of motorised road transport then we get the following:

Income from VED & taxes on fuel £38,000,000,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motoring_taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom
Cost to UK economy of ill-health caused by air pollution[1] £15,000,000,000 http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/02Febru...kills-40000-a-year-in-the-UK-says-report.aspx
Highways England roadbuilding £1,782,000,000 http://www.roadusers.org.uk/chapters/infrastructure-investments/
Highways England maintenance/operations £1,072,000,000 http://www.roadusers.org.uk/chapters/infrastructure-investments/
Expenditure on regional roads, England £5,063,600,000 http://www.roadusers.org.uk/chapters/infrastructure-investments/
Total road expenditure, Wales £171,792,000 http://www.roadusers.org.uk/chapters/infrastructure-investments/
Total road expenditure, Scotland £1,290,300,000 http://www.roadusers.org.uk/chapters/infrastructure-investments/
Cost of road crashes £34,300,000,000 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/244913/rrcgb2012-02.pdf

TOTAL -£20,679,692,000
Notes
[1] Assumes 75% of air pollution from transport

Which is possibly one of the reasons that the government doesn't want to enable this kind of calculation by hypothecating the revenue.

It also points out that tax revenue that could, possibly, be used to fund the NHS is actually subsidising the roads to the tune of £20,679,692,000, which is a non-trivial sum of money.

I do my best to support the NHS by running two elderly performance cars and paying VED on both whilst only being able to drive one of them at any one time.

paul987 · 7 Mar 2017

alex yates said:
Said for years, should just be incorporated into fuel cost. The more you use, the more tax paid.

I'm with you on that one Alex.
everyone pays their share that way :thumb:

The Dragonmeister · 8 Mar 2017

Incorporating the tax into Fuel... err... It is happening already.. UK petrol prices are more than double US. Italy and Hong Kong are more expensive. I don't think you want petrol prices to increase more!

http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

Dammit · 8 Mar 2017

If it was £5 litre then you'd likely be able to enjoy the roads a lot more as the traffic would be a lot lighter. Could spend the additional revenue filling some of the potholes, also.

Phil 997 · 8 Mar 2017

Yes I also think add it to fuel duty, anyone with a thirsty engine should be able to not worry too much about the cost , it would remove a lot of sheds from the road as the type that drive a £200 banger would turn to public transport which in turn is good for the environment chances are the the £200 poorly maintained banger is doing more damage to the environment than the newer bigger engine cars, less traffic on the road probably fewer accidents so savings to the NHS and the emergency services. and the cost increase is based on miles travelled which would also make people think more about doing unnecessary trip again having a positive impact . the roads would get less use so less to repair . I genuinely cannot see a negative to this . I also feel that the uninsured are more likely to be driving a banger so safer for the rest of us.

Delanor · 8 Mar 2017

paul987 said:
alex yates said:

Said for years, should just be incorporated into fuel cost. The more you use, the more tax paid.

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I'm with you on that one Alex.
everyone pays their share that way :thumb:

It will never happen - with the tax on fuel its the motorist that controls the level of tax income to the Government coffers as it is if you own a car you pay what ever the level is they decide.

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