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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:17 pm    Post subject: Thinking of a Cayenne - please talk me out of it! Reply with quote

The current gaily driver Range Rover Sport TDV8 has done good service for the past 4 years. However, these have a reputation for being a ticking timebomb as the turbo seals can blow without warning sending oil and shrapnel into the cylinders. Replacement engines are available only from Land Rover at ludicrous expense.

Am thinking about changing to a Cayenne GTS around 2009 vintage. Is this sensible? Where should I source one from? OPC don't deal in cars this old and it seems RSJ are the only Porsche specialist who carry a good stock?

What is the real world mpg?

Can anyone tell me the must-have options or better still persuade me it will be a money pit?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Touareg a few year back which is the same car but scaled back in luxury levels and engines. Solid car with its only fault being it went through tyres like no one's business. A trait common across the platform I'm told.
Other than that....gold.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was about to say I'd seen a nice selection at RSJ website, but you've clocked that...

The only downside I can see is thirst... 20.3 combined, worse than the RR if such things are a consideration.

Hmm, wasnt aware of that little foible with the TDV8s, I will cross that off my list of possibles!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only say that from my point of view i dont get many to fix .. routine serviceing for the most part.

very boreing for me ! but probably good for the owners lol .
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diesel is the way to go
But if you fancy a petrol I have a customer with a 2012 v8S 8,000 mile car that I'm about to buy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can highly recommend the GTS, potent engine though as has been said resulting fuel economy is not that great. Mine was a 2009 facelift car with PCM3 which I bought from RSJ, no issues apart from a parking sensor failure which was sorted under warranty. Recommend getting one with the optional pdcc (dynamic chassis control) which gives you adjustable air suspension and a corresponding better ride quality.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No reason not to buy a Cayenne , I chopped my 2009 RRS TDV8 for a 2015 Diesel S .....best thing I could have done .... No more sleepless nights worrying what s next to drain my wallet of 1k every visit to a garage .....and build quality is another class all together..

Diesel has tons of torque ...puts many other motors to shame on the open road ....and if you get the V8 then there's the soundtrack as well ..
Overall mpg for mine is easy 35mpg

'Just do it'....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cayenne is a decent proposition and we have run a 4.5s for ten years having said that nearly everything that goes wrong with them seems to cost a grand plus to fix if given to a garage unless you are handy.

I've replaced the propshaft centre bearing twice now, first time at 90k then at 165k. The bearing can be done by itself and doesn't require the whole propshaft, same part as Toureg and Q7.

Plastic water pipe feed from expansion tank over top of the engine block leaks on early cars, fixed by about 2006/7 through fitting of metal pipes.

Fuel pumps packed up after about 150k and indeed could fail through age say 10year + and there's two of them in the tank. Pumps are the same as the toureg and q7 and these are much cheaper fix for essentially the same part.

Discs and pads give about the same amount of life from new of around 70k.

Window regulators fail but nothing particularly strange about that, time consuming to fix as the door needs totally dismantling to fix it.

I've never found that tyre wear is bad for a car weighing 2+ tons and have always run Bridgestone Dueller HP Sports which give v good mileage and performance.

Watch out for electrical gremlins on older cars, make sure everything works.

MPG is very steady, drive like miss daisy and you may see 24mpg, thrash it and you get 19mpg, cruises all day at 90mph without breaking a sweat.

The only down side I can see is that with the mk3 coming in 2017 the early mk1 cars including the face lifted version (gts etc) upto 2010 are bound to loose a chunk of value as the mk2 comes into the sub 20k price bracket.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, not liking the new 2018MY -

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1102173_2018-porsche-cayenne-spy-shots#image=100551270

I got a 2014MY GTS a few months ago as a stop gap and it's a cracking car, not something I will keep for long as I prefer a sports car but I really cannot fault it, it copes brilliantly with the unadopted road approaching my new build!

I would recommend a warranty though, they seem to be a money pit as has been mentioned, I claimed for corroded exhaust tips (I have the optional sports exhaust) and Porsche quoted £2500 + VAT!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies for the late recognition of the very helpful replies.

I'm not rushing into this one but I feel a change is due at some time.

Incidentally the TDV8 issue can most probably be avoided by strictly observing the usual sensible precautions for any (VVT) turbo charged motor:
Careful warm up before hard use
Allow it to idle for a couple of minutes before shutting down
Using top quality oil of the correct spec and changing it every 6k miles
Run on premium fuels
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking of a Cayenne - please talk me out of it!

Ugly and driven by posers, only slightly less naff than a Range Rover Sport.
Will that do?



Get a Mercedes E Class Estate with a monster engine. Much cooler.

I've got one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
Thinking of a Cayenne - please talk me out of it!

Ugly and driven by posers, only slightly less naff than a Range Rover Sport.
Will that do?



Get a Mercedes E Class Estate with a monster engine. Much cooler.

I've got one.


Bah Humbug ..You heathen Razz

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
Thinking of a Cayenne - please talk me out of it!

Ugly and driven by posers, only slightly less naff than a Range Rover Sport.
Will that do?


Get a Mercedes E Class Estate with a monster engine. Much cooler.

I've got one.


Cheers Kimbo - can always be relied upon for a little acerbic wit.

So slightly less naff than the Sport - that's a positive then Grin
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2007 Porsche 997 Carrera 4S

PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that I find them a bit 'meh!'

Perhaps a bit ostentatious. I don't know. That front end just doesn't work on an SUV for me. Dont know

I should imagine the GTS and turbo's go like the clappers though! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

had 2 - gen1 turbo & gen 2 Hybrid

60K miles in the turbo, at an ave of 19mpg.

stonking car for the money I paid - traded it in at more than I bought it for !

Winter wheels & tyres, went everywhere - party piece was pulling a range rover out of a ditch in deep snow then towing it up a steep road in reverse - no-where to turn around. Whoever says they can't do offroad clearly haven't had a go !

Hybrid was good, very smooth, but I really bought it for the massive spec on it. Not a box wasn't ticked by the first owner, who had it for only 6 months (winter car in London for some Saudi royalty apparently...)

Towed the race car all over Europe with it (on a trailer..), took it round Spa & Donny - coped remarkably well.
can't remember the fuel consumption, but it certainly wasn't bad.

Thinking of the V8 diesel next year to replace the Mrs' Impreza WRX STi
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just come out of a Cayenne 3.0D (958) after 10 months and 12k miles. I've yet to do a write up on here Rolling Eyes but in summary would I buy another, No. Would I buy a Macan, Yes. Would I buy a FFRR/RRS, Yes.

Cant fault the build quality and equipment levels if you spec it high enough. If you want to drive it like a sports car it will, if you dont then it needs a better gearbox as the 8sp TipS is not set up for stop/start congestion nooo There are plenty of times when I wished it would start off in 2nd gear and not decide to go in 1st all the time and then up/down the gears like a fiddler's elbow what OPC checked it, reflashed the software etc and opined there was nowt wrong with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbo wrote:
Thinking of a Cayenne - please talk me out of it!

Ugly and driven by posers, only slightly less naff than a Range Rover Sport.
Will that do?


A bit of a generalisation Kimbo, and one which I'll take back, given that the newer shape is actually not too bad and if I had the money I'd probably try one.

The Ugly and driven by posers category has to go to the new HUGE BMW THING that nearly put me into the side of a roundabout today. What was it? I don't know. Massive black, blacked-out, BMW 4 x 4, bigger than a Transit and driven by a shaven-headed, thick-necked, tattooed arse with a big watch.

I guff in your direction.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you considered a dacia duster?
 
  
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