Welcome to 911UK
The only place for Porsche, 911uk is the definitive enthusiast and resource site for the Porsche 911.
Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, so join up today for full access to the site and benefit from latest member offers.

Porsche Classifieds
Porsche Buyers Guides
Sell Your Porsche on 911uk
Create a Free Classified Advert
Search Ads
Classified Adverts FAQ
Trade Classified Information
Buyer & Seller Fraud Protection
Pre Purchase Inspection (PPI)
Porsche Car Sourcing
Porsche Cars Wanted
Model
Stock
Porsche 911
991 : 2011- 10
997 : 2004- 67
996 : 1997-2005 45
993 : 1993-1998 11
964 : 1989-1993 4
Carrera 3.2 : 1983-1989 0
Carrera SC : 1977-1983 0
930 Turbo : 1975-1989 0
Early 911 : 1964-1977 2
Porsche Other Models
Classic : 1950-1965 1
Boxster : 1997- 16
Cayman : 2005- 13
Cayenne : 2003- 10
Macan : 2014- 1
Panamera : 2009- 3
912-914-924-928-944-968 3
959 - CarreraGT - RaceCar 1
Car Parts For Sale & Wanted
Other Items For Sale & Wanted
Wheels Tyres For Sale & Wanted
Number Plates For Sale Wanted

Porsche Services
Porsche Body Shop Repair
Paint Protection & Body Wrapping
Porsche Classic Insurance
Porsche Classic Parts
Porsche Classic Restoration
Porsche Design Collection
Porsche Engine Gearbox Rebuild
Porsche Heritage & History
Porsche News
Porsche Picture Gallery
Win a New Porsche 911

Porsche Parts
Body Parts, Body Styling
Brakes, Clearance
Electrical, Exhausts
Engine Cooling, Engine Electrical
Engine Rebuild, Heating Cooling
Interior Incar, Lighting
Rubber Seals, Service Parts
Steering, Suspension
Transmission, Workshop Tools
Early 911, 911 - 930, 928 - 968
964 - 993, 996 - 997, Boxster
Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera

Porsche Model Range
911 [991] 2011-Current
Porsche 911 [991]
911 [997] 2004-Current
Porsche 911 [997]
911 [GT] GT1-GT2-GT3
Porsche 911 [GT]
911 [996] 1997-2005
Porsche 911 [996]
911 [993] 1993-1998
Porsche 911 [993]
911 [RS] RS-RSR
Porsche 911 [RS]
911 [964] 1989-1993
Porsche 911 [964]
911 3.2 1983-1989
Porsche 911 3.2 Carrera
911 SC 1977-1983
Porsche 911 SC
911 [Early] 1964-1977
Porsche 911 [Early]
Boxster & Cayman
Porsche Boxster & Cayman
Cayenne & Panamera
Porsche Cayenne & Panamera

911uk Site Partners

Post new topic   Reply to topic
Author Message
andylang
Spa-Francorchamps


Joined: 30 Oct 2012
Posts: 261
Location: Southampton


PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:43 pm    Post subject: Do I buy a 2009 Facelift Cayenne? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have a 911 daily and smitten with it, so impressed with the Porsche brand and my local OPC etc. Its time to upgrade the wifes / family car. She really wants a Q7 "or similar". Well shes not getting a Q7 with all the bad press surrounding them!

So I showed her a picture of a 2009 facelift Cayenne 3.0 TDI. She really liked it! thumbsup

So my question is this, is there anything to look out for? Ive had a quick google and nothing really jumps out at me - just looks like a good honest work horse (not that ill ever really go off road mind you), and £20k for a 09 on 80k miles seems about right.

Many thanks in advance,

Andy
_________________
Blew up the 996 C2....... currently in a 435i, I shall return to the 911
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
F15HAR
Spa-Francorchamps


Joined: 30 Aug 2013
Posts: 357
Location: Utrecht N.L & Northumberland U.K


PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had a Cayenne and a Q7, both sub 60k miles very similar to drive although the 4.2tdi Q7 was much quicker than the non-turbo Cayenne and felt a more solid car, very wide and a nightmare in car parks if you actually want to be able to open the door to get out of the car.
The Cayenne surprisingly can't really accommodate much more in the boot than your average hatchback due to the slope of the tailgate, whilst the Q7 has a pretty huge boot.
We had no problems with the Q7 whatsoever whilst the Cayenne had ABS failure, electric tailgate strut failure and air suspension failure, ABS unit was nearly £2.5k to replace, rear tailgate struts £400 and air suspension release valves were £1800, so if looking at higher mileage lower priced cars just be aware that they can be painfully expensive to repair if something gives up on you.
Whilst my 996 cost me nothing but servicing costs and tyres in 3 years of ownership
_________________
Current car
Audi RS6 Avant. 704PS 1024 nm

Previous Porsche
02 996 Turbo,Aero kit, 450BHP
06 Cayenne
02 Boxster S
96 Boxster 2.5
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
andylang
Spa-Francorchamps


Joined: 30 Oct 2012
Posts: 261
Location: Southampton


PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrrrrr *****, so the joys of running the 996 is worlds apart from the Cayenne then!

Very interesting you've had both cars. So you'd recommend the Q7 anyday then. Is there anything wildly to look out for, I know they chew tyres but are they really as bad as the press?

Thanks

Andy
_________________
Blew up the 996 C2....... currently in a 435i, I shall return to the 911
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
911UK
Porsche Community
Porsche Community


Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 9216
Location: 911UK

1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

although we've been running an 09 TDI cayenne for the last 4 years and apart from an expect drive train issue that was covered under warranty, it hasn't missed a beat, air suspension included

the way it drives is like no other, more like hot hatchback than 4x4 and for that reason it is the best drivers car by a mile
_________________
Get a Porsche Car Insurance Quote


FOLLOW 911UK ON FACEBOOK
 
  
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
   
F15HAR
Spa-Francorchamps


Joined: 30 Aug 2013
Posts: 357
Location: Utrecht N.L & Northumberland U.K


PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As stated above the Q7 had the bigger boot and could accommodate our daughters "smart-trike", whilst it would only fit in the cayenne partially dismantled. Running costs there's probably not much in it, both are big heavy cars so are hard on the tyres and brakes and are not economical on fuel compared to a hatchback etc, but you accept that when you buy them.
Don't be fooled by the air suspension and sporty settings, neither car would win awards for sporty handling compared to a 911 or boxster etc.
I'd recommend driving both with similar spec's and see which you prefer.
If I was looking to buy another I'd probably go for the same 4.2tdi Q7, as the 4.2tdi Cayenne is still commanding £45k upwards.
The 3.0 tdi Q7 is the better engine according to my local Audi specialist.
Running a big Audi makes you realise that Porsche ownership can actually be quite cheap in comparison.
_________________
Current car
Audi RS6 Avant. 704PS 1024 nm

Previous Porsche
02 996 Turbo,Aero kit, 450BHP
06 Cayenne
02 Boxster S
96 Boxster 2.5
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Rossi911
Suzuka


Joined: 06 Apr 2008
Posts: 1185
Location: England

2011 Porsche 991 Carrera

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q7 drives like a boat, the Cayenne drives like a car
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Zingari
Donnington
Donnington


Joined: 25 Oct 2009
Posts: 11796
Location: Cheshire

1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've yet to see a 2009+ diesel for £20k even with 100k+ miles so if you can get one for £20k and 80k miles its a bargain, the wrong colour or there's something wrong with it.

High miles puts a lot of but it shouldn't. There have been some hanging around for months with 100k+ miles but they're still c£26k/

I've got a 2012 3.0D with plenty of extras including air suspension. It does not drive like a 4x4 and you can sense it has been built from a performance chassis focus especially when the 'Sport' button is pressed and it hankers down low.

I get the sport concept but personally I find the gearbox a bit jerky in the low gears when in slow moving traffic and the retardation you get when it selects a low gear ready for the off. At it's last major service I had the software reflashed to clear the memory of the previous driver and it has sort of inproved it.

They are very very spec and colour combo dependant (a brown dash in a black/tan car - really!) in terms of forward sale - so get the right options or commit to a low value down the line. How somebody can order these cars with heated seats is beyond me but there are some out there. Dont go above 20" wheels unless you have air and avoid any with 22" as they didn't offer that size.

For some reason the trip average mpg for the last 3.5k miles I've driven it shows 42.2mpg Surprised
_________________
Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Zingari
Donnington
Donnington


Joined: 25 Oct 2009
Posts: 11796
Location: Cheshire

1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So........................I took it out today and decided to spend some time with the 'Sport' button deployed - doing 50mph the gear change drops from 8 to 6 and the suspension swithes to 'Sport' setting and drops a level in line with MC Hammer's trouser crotch.

I'm still trying to work out how this 2T vehicle can go so fast as it handles a motorway entry slip sweeping bend holding the road like shoite to a blanket Floor

Plus I'm on 800 miles from the last tank fill up what

CayenneS must be a rocket ship worship
_________________
Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Waz
Estoril


Joined: 14 May 2011
Posts: 3500
Location: Sutton coldfield


PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:


CayenneS must be a rocket ship worship



Turbo S is jaw droppingly quick, next time I see you take it for a spin Thumb
_________________
May the Forsche be with you
2004 3.6 996 C4S cab in The fast black
Cayenne turbo S in matching black 600bhp
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Zorro
Monza


Joined: 05 Oct 2014
Posts: 178
Location: East Sussex


PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
How somebody can order these cars with heated seats is beyond me but there are some out there.Surprised


Including me, and in this chilly weather they are lovely.
So is the heated steering wheel.
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
911tom
Albert Park


Joined: 22 May 2012
Posts: 1626
Location: Buckinghamshire


PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waz wrote:
Zingari wrote:


CayenneS must be a rocket ship worship



Turbo S is jaw droppingly quick, next time I see you take it for a spin Thumb


Your 4s must be slower off the line than you cayenne? What a wonderful world we live in!
_________________
996 Turbo - Link to my 3.8L turbo build thread
2011 Cayenne
2009 Ariel Atom 3 Supercharged
350Bhp astra van for work Surprised
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Zingari
Donnington
Donnington


Joined: 25 Oct 2009
Posts: 11796
Location: Cheshire

1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zorro wrote:
Zingari wrote:
How somebody can order these cars without heated seats is beyond me but there are some out there.Surprised


Including me, and in this chilly weather they are lovely.
So is the heated steering wheel.


Yep I meant to say WITH heated seats Embarassed They can melt cheese what

I ended up with a heated screen but dont like the wire in it and having a choice getting a heated steering wheel is a definite winner Thumb
_________________
Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Waz
Estoril


Joined: 14 May 2011
Posts: 3500
Location: Sutton coldfield


PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
Zorro wrote:
Zingari wrote:
How somebody can order these cars without heated seats is beyond me but there are some out there.Surprised


Including me, and in this chilly weather they are lovely.
So is the heated steering wheel.


Yep I meant to say WITH heated seats Embarassed They can melt cheese what

I ended up with a heated screen but dont like the wire in it and having a choice getting a heated steering wheel is a definite winner Thumb


The heated steering wheel is great, I'm only adding this as peters ain't got one Grin
_________________
May the Forsche be with you
2004 3.6 996 C4S cab in The fast black
Cayenne turbo S in matching black 600bhp
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Rockunrolla
Albert Park


Joined: 27 Dec 2011
Posts: 1595
Location: Yorkshire


PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I borrowed a Cayenne S for a week and a disco 4 for a week ,
We had snow at the time and apart from speed , the disco won hands down in every other way ,
So I bought a disco
Question Thumb
_________________
New - FERRARI California

Ex - 991 S PDK - Aero kit guards red/yellow wrapp.
Ex - Red 997-Man Coupe-Aero kit
Ex - Silver 996 C4 Tip Cab

 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
PeterS
Fuji


Joined: 01 Nov 2009
Posts: 9069
Location: Solihull

2003 Porsche 996 Carrera 2

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waz wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Zorro wrote:
Zingari wrote:
How somebody can order these cars without heated seats is beyond me but there are some out there.Surprised


Including me, and in this chilly weather they are lovely.
So is the heated steering wheel.


Yep I meant to say WITH heated seats Embarassed They can melt cheese what

I ended up with a heated screen but dont like the wire in it and having a choice getting a heated steering wheel is a definite winner Thumb


The heated steering wheel is great, I'm only adding this as peters ain't got one Grin


There is no way I would buy a car with a heated steering wheel.

They are only for pufters.

Smile
_________________
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Chris_in_the_UK
Paul Ricard


Joined: 19 Mar 2014
Posts: 3480
Location: Harrogate


PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgKUHtcZEXc
_________________
2006 Cayman S PCCB's
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Rockunrolla
Albert Park


Joined: 27 Dec 2011
Posts: 1595
Location: Yorkshire


PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You strike me a a leather glove wearer Pete Laughing
_________________
New - FERRARI California

Ex - 991 S PDK - Aero kit guards red/yellow wrapp.
Ex - Red 997-Man Coupe-Aero kit
Ex - Silver 996 C4 Tip Cab

 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
911TEL
Österreich


Joined: 29 Oct 2007
Posts: 959
Location: Inverness and Highlands

2011 Porsche 997 Turbo S

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:

CayenneS must be a rocket ship worship


I have had a Cayenne diesel S for a while now and have put a few miles on ..... I can vouch for the fact that it is a ' rocket ship ' when let loose .... its really surprising just how quick it gets off the mark..... mid range torque is nothing short of spectacular .... 850n/m of torque and 31 2 mpg average !

I had a TDiV8 Range Rover Sport prior but it started giving problems ... now I cant imagine why I bothered at all as this thing is peace of mind as well as twisting it at times!!
Quality of product is excellent, love it !

Terry
_________________
Cayman GT4 Carmine red .. at last it gets the goodies it should have....
997 Gen 2 Turbo S Basalt Black -BBS CHR, Kline inconel exhaust, Polished Bliss air freshener...
Cayenne S diesel 850 N/ m torque!!!! Jet black
SL 55 AMG Obsidian Black
Brompton S2L Black edition
(All current)
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Zingari
Donnington
Donnington


Joined: 25 Oct 2009
Posts: 11796
Location: Cheshire

1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a 2012 42k miles with all the right extras plus pre-heater if they will (and I suspect there's good movement) knock off a few bags from the £36k ask this is a lot of car, good colour/spec Here
_________________
Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?
 
  
View user's profile Send private message
   
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   All times are GMT - 12 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You can post calendar events in this forum