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Tokyo Joe
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Chief, very nice Thumb

Have a great Xmas and new year on those wheels.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Joe, pleased you like them Thumb
Happy Christmas pal.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just read through this entire thread. What a lovely build. Fantastic quality and attention to detail. Very well judged imho must be one of the nicest cars out there. Congratulations
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those wheels look bl00dy gorgous

Fantastic work all round, YEAHHHHHHH such dedication and detail, love it
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve & FRP,
Thank you, I appreciate your comments fellas Thumb

There has been a flurry of activity in the last few days on The Red Baron!
I will break it down into some smaller 'Bite sized' chunks over the weekend as there will be a lot of detail and some interesting findings....
So, Monday was spent with Chris at Center Gravity, this is the one I will go into in detail as and when I have complied all the photos and got the time line straight in my head Embarassed Suffice it to say over 10 hours later The Baron emerged into the freezing cold, pitch black, ice covered roads to journey home....

In the mean time, the heater boxes are back with Turbo. The laser cutters have done a fine job in translating the CAD drawings. Now if i'd only had heat on Monday....travelling in -1.5 degreeeeeeeez nooo

So make of these what you will. They will make some sense when welded up and rivnutted I think, but here is what we have so far.....






So, although pretty much finished, it's clearly not, who was I kidding eh?
Must have been full of Christmas cheer I guess puh

So, more detail to come regarding the suspension set-up. I will hopefully show everything nice and clear to help peeps with their cars.

All the best for now...The Red Baron
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, to carry on from where I left off.......We left it that The Baron was at center Gravity with Chris. Very interesting day and a lot learned.
Firstly, Chris takes you out to see if he can identify any problems on a pre-determined route. This he knows like the back of his hand and has set amounts of time for the car to react. When it doesn't then he make a mental note. The Baron as I had discussed with him has had the front suspension pretty much thrown on, as I knew it was coming to him. The first thing Chris noticed was when reversing up the slope from the unit, the front end just bounced over the gutter. We spent a while just rocking back and forth over this to feel what was going on. It was determined that the front end was pretty much on the bumpstops! This Chris later confirmed by hanging off the anti roll bar and shaking his weight up and down. The only movement was in the tyre side wall. The gap from the arch to the top of the tyre didn't change!!! anyway I digress. The first thing is to check the condition of the shocks. This is done by driving onto a machine that puts each axle through it's paces by vibrating up and down at different frequencies.




You can see on the graph the detail of the shock through the test, with the end result as we expected 'All Good!'

Next the car was driven onto the ramp.

the wheels lined up on slip plates.

Next job was to remove the wheel centres.


With the car sat back down Chris attached the sensors for the alignment rig.




The car was then rolled back and forth for the overhead sensor array to see the wheels.

So now was 'Crunch Time' to see where the car was.....

Suffice it to say, things were not looking too cleaver Grin


So fast forward a while and we were at the point of being able to measure the ride height.



So we got a measurement of 105mm, bearing in mind that RS height is 125mm, we were dragging our chin on the floor. This would explain why there was no travel on the front!
So as we were starting to zone in on some good settings, we went for corner weighing. Chris removes the slip plates and replaces the which scales.




You can see here the weight each corner is applying to the road along with the overall weight (full tank of fuel)

Small quarter turns on the coilover spring perches make huge differences to the corner weights.

The next few scans are of the final result.



So there you have it. Just a glimps into the world of suspension where Chris Franklin spends his day. As I left at gone 7.00p.m with frost and ice on the ground, I didn't feel confident in trying out the new set-up, however Chris and I drove around the test circuit again. The results were exactly as he said they should be earlier in the day. I'm looking forward to trying out the new set-up, which should be as the say "Bob on!"
There we have it, not as detailed as it should be, but gives you an idea of what is involved.
All the best everyone, and thanks for following....
The Red baron over and out, currrrrsh, over.........
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stunning attention to detail as always chief, looking forward to seeing what that ferret box thing is for?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol Chief, that screenshot of the geo of the Baron made me chuckle Sad

A couple of degrees out and it looks like a clown car, my Boxster was the same Floor

Chris and Pete are pure Porsche Gods , no really they are worship

The Baron will be set up just as you would want, I haven`t really figured how they do it, but they do Thumb

My new 996.1 will be paying them a visit shortly Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tremendous thread read... im not sure how long I have to get through this or whether to read front to back or back to Front ...


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Is Project Blue Book the partner in the garage area ?

look forward to that starting if it is ..

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic stuff Chief, great insight! More like the Red Baron now than the Red Crab Grin

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really envy people with the skills to do these sort of jobs on the cars themselves. Fantastic thread, I've booked myself onto a beginners mechanics course later this year at night school/college to try and garner some knowledge on these things.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chief, great read and well done, I only the wheels look better without the entire caps.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too sure what happened there ?
Wheels look better without centre caps imo.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strong work there Chief as always Smile Thanks for the insight into Centre Gravity too.

Did you have to change the ride-height in the end, or did Chris and the guys work around how low the car was?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

COG no good for you Chris they would want to raise your car up by a couple of feet Very Happy

any pics of the final ride height Chief
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazc2 wrote:
COG no good for you Chris they would want to raise your car up by a couple of feet Very Happy

any pics of the final ride height Chief


Ah, you read my mind Gaz puh

In its current guise my car isn't going to me winning any handling awards. At least its all adjustable for future owners tho!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice write up on CG. This is a nice summary of CG, what they do and how they do it. Their approach is to "get it right" and if that means that the car isnt ready at 17:08 then fine. Some (wise;)) people roll with this and some people get a bit upset if the car isnt ready at 17:07:59...

My car was there the week before.

It had the "ideal" set up of Bilsteins and H&R springs: but for some reason, it was very harsh, part. the rear, over bumps, almost "crashing". Suffice it to say we explored all the options in a logical manner and settled on Koni FSDs, with the H&R springs. Set up for fast road at RS ride height, car is impecable now. One theory was that the car was still quite taut having "only" 63k...who knows, they are all different, all part of the fun Thumb

Plus you get the confidence that the components and systems have been "quality assured" in the process Laughing

Whilst clearly not in the same league as the Baron: I had the cooling fan painted in GR - looks stonking Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian,
Ferret Boxes "My Arse!".....I hope we can blow some heat into the cabin, more for de-misting than anything. Driving down the M42 at 7.15am with the windows down wearing a hat, scalf, body warmer and gloves looks odd to normal folk Surprised

Kris,
Looking more like 'Lightning McQueen' than a real car.....

911TEL,
Indeed, Project Blue Book is nestling next to The Baron awaiting it's turn Rolling Eyes

Paul,
The Red Crab summed it up rather well Embarassed

Budflicker,
Go for it, wanging spanners is a confidence thing. The satisfaction is it's own reward. As I always say, if I can do it, then anyone can!

Frenchmeister,
I take onboard you comments about the wheels. I needed to do something different to everyone else to make the Baron, the Baron if you get me? With the center exit exhaust the Cup wheels just looked too tame, and wanting to keep it '90's' resurecting those wheels with a modern twist sort of made sense to my thinking. Not for everyone, I understand Thumb

Chris, Gaz
Ride height as per the last list is now 128 (from 105mm).
To be honest, neither of us were truly happy with the end result/ look, but I said we have to start somewhere. It can either look good or go good....
I have chosen the latter as a starting point. When you look at the pictures above, take a close look at the lower 'A' arms, they are so far from horizontal, with bearly any movement. The car does look up a little at the front, but the back remains the same.....

Clarky,
I saw lots of pictures Pete had taken of you new P&J. Looks like you too are in good hands Bandit
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOT time today....

The Red Baron flew through Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats bud Smile

Mine is due end of the month Rolling Eyes

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